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daddio · #31 (**permalink**) 09-13-2009

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

Most people in the world see the teabaggers as predominantly white, fascist, racist, gun toting morons who identify mainly with Glenn Beck, Bill Oreilly and Sarah Palin. Its a bit of a "USA, USA, USA" freak show, really.

Im not sayin' their all like that, but that is definitely the perception.

Here is an example of what the view is from the other side:

Is the U.S. on the Brink of Fascism? | Politics | AlterNet

Andrew

kind of moot as foreigners don't vote (well, unless ACORN takes their applications). I thinik the congresscritters understand their significance plenty good enough. hell, even Olympia Snowe is acting a little bit conservative these days.

Imperator · #32 (**permalink**) 09-13-2009

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

The protesters seem like a pretty narrow slice of America. I have only seen some pictures but why are the overwhelmingly white? Seems exceedingly bizarre. When i look at protests against Bush or the war in iraq or anti globalization protests the crowds are extremely diverse. These tea party protesters seem way too monolithic to be representative of america. They kinda look like the McCain presidential rallies.

How many mcveighs lurk amongst them, eventually getting frustrated and angry enough at the uselessness of protesting to use the weapons they have to cause some real bloodshed?

Surely there are better ways to exhibit your love for america than by chanting that obnoxious chant while holding a sign like this:

You hated it when lefties held signs linking Bush with Nazis didn't you?

Andrew

you cannot seem to see the forest for the trees...do we need to pass some racial litmus test? How about lesbians? gay men?...maybe we should have a questionnaire sorta like the democratic party court nomination process?

yes I did, and I think thats a low class trashy knock and the sign should have been taken away and disposed of......

Disillusioned_1 · #33 (**permalink**) 09-13-2009

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

Most people in the world see the teabaggers as predominantly white, fascist, racist, gun toting morons who identify mainly with Glenn Beck, Bill Oreilly and Sarah Palin. Its a bit of a "USA, USA, USA" freak show, really.

The majority of the teabaggers fall right into that category. Except the majority aren't racist, we don't want steve to have a hernia over that tidbit.

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Here is an example of what the view is from the other side:

Is the U.S. on the Brink of Fascism? | Politics | AlterNet

Andrew

Fascism is when the state controls all of the privately owned industries and makes them work for the purposes of the state. Our situation for the past 30 years has pretty much been a twist on that: The industries all control the government and make the government work for the purposes of the industries. This reverse control gives our flavor of fascism a very bizarre result which I'm not sure has been seen before in world history.

Andrewl · #34 (**permalink**) 09-13-2009

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Originally Posted by Imperator

you cannot seem to see the forest for the trees...do we need to pass some racial litmus test? How about lesbians? gay men?...maybe we should have a questionnaire sorta like the democratic party court nomination process?

Not at all. I just don't see how all-white = representative of America.

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yes I did, and I think thats a low class trashy knock and the sign should have been taken away and disposed of......

Exactly, but just like over the top protesters on the left were used to label the entire group, the same will happen with these protests.

Andrew

Andrewl · #35 (**permalink**) 09-13-2009

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Originally Posted by Rakkasan

that is a great question but should be posed to people of color, why do 98% of african americans support the president andrew?

Are you saying that Obama only has black people for support?

Andrew

Rakkasan · #36 (**permalink**) 09-14-2009

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

Are you saying that Obama only has black people for support?

Andrew

nice spin

no i am countering your stupid comment, and BTW liberal spin that only whites protest obama. Majority of whites were the anti war protesters also BTW but i digress

IMO the all white protestors is a strawman..

98% of African Americans support obama and will regardless of what he does..... In no sector of America will you find 98% agreement on dick , the real question isn't why are only whites protesting obama, why are blacks so in support of him regardless of what he does.... why is his support so strong amongst people of color? If you and your ilk are going to bat around the race card and accuse anyone who disagrees with obama and has a pale face, that they are fucking racists period, then IMO it is goes the other way also.... Why do people of color unequivocally support your guy? enlighten me oh wise one you have all the answers usually from your perch in canada , so break it down for me

Disillusioned_1 · #37 (**permalink**) 09-14-2009

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Originally Posted by Rakkasan

98% of African Americans support obama and will regardless of what he does..... In no sector of America will you find 98% agreement on dick , the real question isn't why are only whites protesting obama, why are blacks so in support of him regardless of what he does.... why is his support so strong amongst people of color? If you and your ilk are going to bat around the race card and accuse anyone who disagrees with obama and has a pale face, that they are fucking racists period, then IMO it is goes the other way also.... Why do people of color unequivocally support your guy? enlighten me oh wise one you have all the answers usually from your perch in canada , so break it down for me

So, in a nutshell, you're saying the white teabaggers can't be racist because its the black Obama supporters who are actually racist. Gotcha.

TheLastBoyScout · #38 (**permalink**) 09-14-2009

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Originally Posted by Tanngrisnir3

And, ABC isn't happy about it. Buehler? Oreo? Anyone? Anyone?

Protest Crowd Size Estimate Falsely Attributed to ABC News - ABC News

ABC News Was Misquoted on Crowd Size
ABC News Reported D.C. Rally Size in Tens of Thousands, Not 1M to 1.5M as Activist Said.

Conservative activists, who organized a march on the U.S. Capitol today in protest of the Obama administration's health care agenda and government spending, erroneously attributed reports on the size of the crowds to ABC News.

Matt Kibbe, president of FreedomWorks, the group that organized the event, said on stage at the rally that ABC News was reporting that 1 million to 1.5 million people were in attendance.

At no time did ABC News, or its affiliates, report a number anywhere near as large. ABCNews.com reported an approximate figure of 60,000 to 70,000 protesters, attributed to the Washington, D.C., fire department. In its reports, ABC News Radio described the crowd as "tens of thousands."

Brendan Steinhauser, spokesman for FreedomWorks, said he did not know why Kibbe cited ABC News as a source.

As a result of Kibbe's erroneous attribution, several bloggers and commenters repeated the misinformation.

It's not unusual that people who are enthusiastically behind the protests are exaggerating the numbers...and those against the protests are attempting to minimize them. I would be more surprised if it weren't happening.

I don't think the actual numbers matter all that much. What matters is if they have a message and whether they communicate it clearly. 100 people with a clear, rational message may be more significant than a crowd of 1 million people who have gathered in order to send a vague message.

Andrewl · #39 (**permalink**) 09-14-2009

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Originally Posted by Rakkasan

nice spin

Its not spin. My accusation was that it seems teabaggers have mainly white support. You dodged that by leveling the incredibly inane accusation that most black people support Obama. Well, Obama has support across a wide range of the demographic, not just black people. Your retarded attempt to avoid answering why teabaggers are generally white makes no fucking sense.

Andrew

Rakkasan · #40 (**permalink**) 09-14-2009

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

Its not spin. My accusation was that it seems teabaggers have mainly white support. You dodged that by leveling the incredibly inane accusation that most black people support Obama. Well, Obama has support across a wide range of the demographic, not just black people. Your retarded attempt to avoid answering why teabaggers are generally white makes no fucking sense.

Andrew

didnt think you could explain it , but i did expect your usual insults and arrogant bullshit

continue your stupid strawman that anyone who doesnt agree with your guy is a racist , see how far that keeps your side in power

Steve · #41 (**permalink**) 09-14-2009

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

Surely there are better ways to exhibit your love for america than by chanting that obnoxious chant while holding a sign like this:

Yeah, 'casue signs like this one were so much better:

Andrewl · #42 (**permalink**) 09-14-2009

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Originally Posted by Rakkasan

didnt think you could explain it , but i did expect your usual insults and arrogant bullshit

I know your capacities are lacking Rak, but if you actually review this exchange it was you yourself that started the insults. Not I.

You really should learn to control yourself.

Andrew

Andrewl · #43 (**permalink**) 09-14-2009

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Originally Posted by Steve

Yeah, 'casue signs like this one were so much better:

Steve,

I acknowledged that fact directly in my post, not sure what point you are trying to make? I thought those signs were stupid for Bush just as they are stupid for Obama.

My point was that just as those protests were marginalized largely due to those behaviors, so will the "tea party" protests.

Protesting (i.e., walking the street with idiotic signs and generally causing no inconvenience to anyone or any system) is one of the most useless and often counter productive activities that an activist can engage in.

I have no use for them on either side.

Andrew

AjaxPress · #44 (**permalink**) 09-15-2009

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Originally Posted by Rakkasan

looks like alot of libs are worried the right might start taking away their schtick and actually get good at protesting , and marches and burning shit

Well I don't know why members on the right would be interested in that sort of thing to begin with. Since when other people did it they were being called unpatriotic unemployed hippies etc.

California Girl · #45 (**permalink**) 09-16-2009

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Originally Posted by Andrewl

Steve,

I acknowledged that fact directly in my post, not sure what point you are trying to make? I thought those signs were stupid for Bush just as they are stupid for Obama.

My point was that just as those protests were marginalized largely due to those behaviors, so will the "tea party" protests.

Protesting (i.e., walking the street with idiotic signs and generally causing no inconvenience to anyone or any system) is one of the most useless and often counter productive activities that an activist can engage in.

I have no use for them on either side.

Andrew

Andrew,

Look at the protest with an open mind, not one trying to find something to back up your particular stance, and you will see hundreds of thousands of people (the exact number is still up for debate). Among these hundreds of thousand of people, you will see hundreds of thousands of signs. Among these hundreds of thousands of signs, you will find a FEW that are inappropriate - possibly even a few racist ones. Does the fact that a few racists turned up mean that everyone there was racist? Clearly not. There were a few 'Nazi' signs. Does that mean everyone protesting believes Obama is a Nazi? Clearly not.

No one controls protests. Look at the damned protest - look at the signs. Don't just cherry pick to suit your message and expect to be taken seriously. Just one time, Andrew, use some fucking common sense.

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