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What's worse than rape?

The General's Daughter answered that question: Betrayal

Back in 2005, my friend and teaching partner returned from her deployment. She was in the throes of PTSD the entire academic year from having to put together the broken bodies of our fighting forces , but much better after her summer break the next year.

The thing she said repeatedly and with great pain, is that citizens do not know the GOOD things we were doing in the ME because it never got coverage.

Well, I turned on the news and whaddaya think is happening NOW? Yeah. You got it. There is all kinds of coverage of the 'humanitarian missions' we are carrying out in the ME.

Fuck.

Our fighting forces were flagrantly punished by the media because of who their COC was. And now there is all this new found publicity about humanitarian aid we are giving because the media approves of this COC who simply will not deal effectively with the issue of this war. Go figure.

It is becoming increasingly deadly for our troops. So what is the plan? It doesn't seem there is one.

No doubt, the usual partisan ravings will be posted here. No surprises. But you know, it just sucks when it was your friends who were betrayed by the US media for 8, count 'em, 8 years!
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Re: What's worse than rape?

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The General's Daughter answered that question: Betrayal

Back in 2005, my friend and teaching partner returned from her deployment. She was in the throes of PTSD the entire academic year from having to put together the broken bodies of our fighting forces , but much better after her summer break the next year.

The thing she said repeatedly and with great pain, is that citizens do not know the GOOD things we were doing in the ME because it never got coverage.

Well, I turned on the news and whaddaya think is happening NOW? Yeah. You got it. There is all kinds of coverage of the 'humanitarian missions' we are carrying out in the ME.

Fuck.

Our fighting forces were flagrantly punished by the media because of who their COC was. And now there is all this new found publicity about humanitarian aid we are giving because the media approves of this COC who simply will not deal effectively with the issue of this war. Go figure.

It is becoming increasingly deadly for our troops. So what is the plan? It doesn't seem there is one.

No doubt, the usual partisan ravings will be posted here. No surprises. But you know, it just sucks when it was your friends who were betrayed by the US media for 8, count 'em, 8 years!
And exactly how, pray tell, were our troops 'betrayed' by the US media? Please be very specific.
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Re: What's worse than rape?

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And exactly how, pray tell, were our troops 'betrayed' by the US media? Please be very specific.
I see you still have that difficulty reading.
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Re: What's worse than rape?

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I see you still have that difficulty reading.
I see you went to a lot of trouble to create a thread whose main point you can't even support. You haven't shown any betrayal.

Strange world we live in.
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Re: What's worse than rape?

Anyone with a shred of empathy can see the damage that years of character assasination can do, and this is why you don't give publicity to those who do err in their service.

We destroyed an entire generation coming home from Vietnam, apparently once wasn't enough.
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Re: What's worse than rape?

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Anyone with a shred of empathy can see the damage that years of character assasination can do, and this is why you don't give publicity to those who do err in their service.

We destroyed an entire generation coming home from Vietnam, apparently once wasn't enough.
Not this hyperbolic crap again.

We simply haven't 'destroyed a generation' coming home from Vietnam, and it's not occurring now.

The vast, vast majority of that the generations represented by those who primarily fought in VN never were in the military and never went, so on the very face of it, your claim is ridiculous.
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Anyone with a shred of empathy can see the damage that years of character assasination can do, and this is why you don't give publicity to those who do err in their service.

We destroyed an entire generation coming home from Vietnam, apparently once wasn't enough.
You are exactly right. The damage done to that generation is immeasurable and I don't mean in terms of individuals alone. The families of those who survived that debacle have lived with men who are not the same men they were before they were sent to Viet Nam. IMNSHO, the media engineered the abuse that those men took during AND after the war. They for the most part are either ice men, drug addicts, volatile explosive maniacs, or suicides. That kind of thing is SO injurious to the entire family. So, yes, and entire GENERATION suffered the manipulations of the media during VN.

The media is the ultimate hypocrite and the ultimate persecutor. I don't know why people still give ANY credence to them at all.
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You are exactly right. The damage done to that generation is immeasurable and I don't mean in terms of individuals alone. The families of those who survived that debacle have lived with men who are not the same men they were before they were sent to Viet Nam. IMNSHO, the media engineered the abuse that those men took during AND after the war. They for the most part are either ice men, drug addicts, volatile explosive maniacs, or suicides. That kind of thing is SO injurious to the entire family. So, yes, and entire GENERATION suffered the manipulations of the media during VN.
Go ahead and cite the data that backs up the most of those who went to VN are "ice men, drug addicts, volatile explosive maniacs, or suicides".

I won't hold my breath.
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The media is the ultimate hypocrite and the ultimate persecutor. I don't know why people still give ANY credence to them at all.
I don't know why people give any credence to those who overlook that the only ones who betrayed our troops were those who sent them over there, in the first place, and did so without preparing and equipping them properly.

The ultimate hypocrites are those who refuse to recognize this simple fact.
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Re: What's worse than rape?

woulkd that we appreciated what these men and women did on our behalf...
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Re: What's worse than rape?

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Anyone with a shred of empathy can see the damage that years of character assasination can do, and this is why you don't give publicity to those who do err in their service.

We destroyed an entire generation coming home from Vietnam, apparently once wasn't enough.
Well that's what happens when you have media politicizing the war. It seems like it's become popular to use the war and its fighting men and women as a battering rams against what ever party is in office.
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woulkd that we appreciated what these men and women did on our behalf...
Don't hold your breath!
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Go ahead and cite the data that backs up the most of those who went to VN are "ice men, drug addicts, volatile explosive maniacs, or suicides".

I won't hold my breath.

I don't know why people give any credence to those who overlook that the only ones who betrayed our troops were those who sent them over there, in the first place, and did so without preparing and equipping them properly.

The ultimate hypocrites are those who refuse to recognize this simple fact.
I wouldn't expect a troll like you who lives his life guarding some bridge to have a clue about any of this. AS a matter of fact, I haven't seen you have a clue about much of anything.

http://www.olive-drab.com/od_history...m_veterans.php

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1460153

http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal...accno=ED311493

http://www.i-served.com/v-v-a-r.org/...ia_part01.html

http://www.i-served.com/v-v-a-r.org/...ia_part01.html

http://www.strategypage.com/bookreviews/12.asp

http://www.radicalpsychology.org/vol7-1/mendible.html

http://psy.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/...ract/22/11/931

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:...&ct=clnk&gl=us

Now go piss up a rope you jackass.
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Re: What's worse than rape?

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The General's Daughter answered that question: Betrayal

Back in 2005, my friend and teaching partner returned from her deployment. She was in the throes of PTSD the entire academic year from having to put together the broken bodies of our fighting forces , but much better after her summer break the next year.

The thing she said repeatedly and with great pain, is that citizens do not know the GOOD things we were doing in the ME because it never got coverage.

Well, I turned on the news and whaddaya think is happening NOW? Yeah. You got it. There is all kinds of coverage of the 'humanitarian missions' we are carrying out in the ME.

Fuck.

Our fighting forces were flagrantly punished by the media because of who their COC was. And now there is all this new found publicity about humanitarian aid we are giving because the media approves of this COC who simply will not deal effectively with the issue of this war. Go figure.

It is becoming increasingly deadly for our troops. So what is the plan? It doesn't seem there is one.

No doubt, the usual partisan ravings will be posted here. No surprises. But you know, it just sucks when it was your friends who were betrayed by the US media for 8, count 'em, 8 years!
Where have you seen all this good news? All I see is blood still. Just not much blame for the current commander anymore. Still blaming Bush of course.
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Don't hold your breath!

thank God its honor that drives them. pretty sad its in so little evidence in the media and politics.
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I wouldn't expect a troll like you who lives his life guarding some bridge to have a clue about any of this. AS a matter of fact, I haven't seen you have a clue about much of anything.

VIETNAM WAR VETERANS PROBLEMS

Problems in families of male Vietnam veterans with... [J Consult Clin Psychol. 1992] - PubMed result

"Causal" Communication: Media Portrayals and Public Attributions for Vietnam Veterans' Problems.

Vietnam and The Media, Part 1

Vietnam and The Media, Part 1

Stolen Valor, How the Vietnam Generation Was Robbed of its Heros and History Book Reviews

Post Vietnam Syndrome: National Identity, War, and the Politics of Humiliation

Post-Vietnam syndrome: Recognition and management -- FRIEDMAN 22 (11): 931 -- Psychosomatics

Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: Vietnam Wives: Women and Children Surviving Life With Veterans Suffering Post Traumatic Stress Disorder

Now go piss up a rope you jackass.
Thanks for all those links.

Unfortunately for you, none of them support your contention that they are "for the most part are either ice men, drug addicts, volatile explosive maniacs, or suicides."

The only jackass here is the one making histrionic claims she can't support.
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