Thread: Censorship is terrible, no censorship in hollywood is worse!

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

There's way too much police brutality as it is and you're suggesting that it should be commonplace.

No, priorities should be in order. A guy that just raped an old lady should be treated more harshly than some cop who had some human emotions and wanted to put some lumps on the guy who just raped the old lady. That's all I'm saying. You can't expect cops to not have human emotions.

As it is, a punk resisting arrest often does get his face smashed to the ground but only because it's the only way to subdue him and IMO, that's not brutality.

When the "system" fails to punish anyone for anything, some guys who sign up to fight crime get a little frustrated. I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Unfortunately, too many bad cops, though, take that much further and abuse their authority by becoming physical when it's unnecessary. Here's a video of the asshole cops in New Orleans hitting a 64 year old man in the head AFTER he surrendered to them.

I agree with you on this one. Those cops should have been put in prison.

In my entire career I never saw anyone get hurt that didn't have it coming in spades. Cops don't want to roam around hurting people as the left would like to believe. They want to eliminate the criminal element and sometimes they get fed up knowing that the system is going to turn this scum loose before the officer can complete his paper work on the arrest.
Again, I don't expect you to understand.

Originally Posted by Michael_Q

No, priorities should be in order. A guy that just raped an old lady should be treated more harshly than some cop who had some human emotions and wanted to put some lumps on the guy who just raped the old lady. That's all I'm saying. You can't expect cops to not have human emotions.

The first priority should always be to obey the law and make it a righteous arrest that will hold up in court. Cops do indeed have human emotions, and we're paid to keep them in check. I'm not surprised that you don't understand that.

When the "system" fails to punish anyone for anything, some guys who sign up to fight crime get a little frustrated. I wouldn't expect you to understand.

It's illegal to do what you're recommending/promoting. But then, I wouldn't expect you to understand.

I agree with you on this one. Those cops should have been put in prison.

In my entire career I never saw anyone get hurt that didn't have it coming in spades. Cops don't want to roam around hurting people as the left would like to believe. They want to eliminate the criminal element and sometimes they get fed up knowing that the system is going to turn this scum loose before the officer can complete his paper work on the arrest.
Again, I don't expect you to understand.

People don't get let loose before the paperwork is finished, although I imagine most reports that you ever wrote, if any, got kicked back.

Getting fed up is bullshit. Anyone who can't should find themselves a different job. We're paid to keep those emotions and actions in check. But then, I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Originally Posted by Michael_Q

No, priorities should be in order. A guy that just raped an old lady should be treated more harshly than some cop who had some human emotions and wanted to put some lumps on the guy who just raped the old lady. That's all I'm saying. You can't expect cops to not have human emotions.

I do expect cops to have emotions but I also expect them to control them. Yes, we'd all love to be the one to show a rapist how it feels but it's not up to us nor is it up to the police. The police cannot act outside of the boundaries of the law and then expect citizens to respect them. As it is now, an officer gets the same respect from me that he shows to me. If one comes up acting like a smart ass punk, I stay within the boundaries of the law but I let him know in no uncertain terms that I think he's a smart ass and shouldn't be wearing a badge. At 49, I'm NOT going to be abused by a 22 year old kid wearing a uniform during a routine traffic stop. Luckily, those assholes are few and far between in my local police department but the state police is full of "bad asses" who love to act like jerks.

When the "system" fails to punish anyone for anything, some guys who sign up to fight crime get a little frustrated. I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Actually, I do understand. It's really not much different than being frustrated when you beg your supervisor for permission to overrule the doctor and send a nursing home resident to the hospital with a suspected hip fracture and you're told no. A week later, the patient's physician arrives and sends the woman to the hospital for surgery but unfortunately, she died while in the hospital and the family ended up suing the nursing home. I walked out of that nursing home after my shift the day Mrs. Laura was sent to the hospital and never went back because I couldn't be a part of what I considered to be criminal mistreatment of the residents. I expect cops to walk away from the job when they burn out, also.

I agree with you on this one. Those cops should have been put in prison.

In my entire career I never saw anyone get hurt that didn't have it coming in spades. Cops don't want to roam around hurting people as the left would like to believe. They want to eliminate the criminal element and sometimes they get fed up knowing that the system is going to turn this scum loose before the officer can complete his paper work on the arrest.
Again, I don't expect you to understand.

Again, I do understand.

Originally Posted by Michael_Q

No, priorities should be in order. A guy that just raped an old lady should be treated more harshly than some cop who had some human emotions and wanted to put some lumps on the guy who just raped the old lady. That's all I'm saying. You can't expect cops to not have human emotions.



When the "system" fails to punish anyone for anything, some guys who sign up to fight crime get a little frustrated. I wouldn't expect you to understand.



I agree with you on this one. Those cops should have been put in prison.

In my entire career I never saw anyone get hurt that didn't have it coming in spades. Cops don't want to roam around hurting people as the left would like to believe. They want to eliminate the criminal element and sometimes they get fed up knowing that the system is going to turn this scum loose before the officer can complete his paper work on the arrest.
Again, I don't expect you to understand.

Oh no, I understand completely. Every now and then, someone will make stupid posts on this forum talking about how we should go back to the "good old days" and how we should let cops take their anger out on whomever they please just as long as they "have it coming" in the eyes of the twisted cop. Sometimes I even get emotional over it. But you know what? I don't assault them or beat them up for it because I have a little something called self-control and because I am tolerant and support free speech. You know what else? I don't even get paid to not be violent.

Are you telling me these cops can't control themselves even when they do get paid for it? Then you know what? They should be tried for assault as if they assaulted that very same old woman that was raped. They should also be fired.

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

I do expect cops to have emotions but I also expect them to control them. Yes, we'd all love to be the one to show a rapist how it feels but it's not up to us nor is it up to the police. The police cannot act outside of the boundaries of the law and then expect citizens to respect them. As it is now, an officer gets the same respect from me that he shows to me. If one comes up acting like a smart ass punk, I stay within the boundaries of the law but I let him know in no uncertain terms that I think he's a smart ass and shouldn't be wearing a badge. At 49, I'm NOT going to be abused by a 22 year old kid wearing a uniform during a routine traffic stop. Luckily, those assholes are few and far between in my local police department but the state police is full of "bad asses" who love to act like jerks.




Actually, I do understand. It's really not much different than being frustrated when you beg your supervisor for permission to overrule the doctor and send a nursing home resident to the hospital with a suspected hip fracture and you're told no. A week later, the patient's physician arrives and sends the woman to the hospital for surgery but unfortunately, she died while in the hospital and the family ended up suing the nursing home. I walked out of that nursing home after my shift the day Mrs. Laura was sent to the hospital and never went back because I couldn't be a part of what I considered to be criminal mistreatment of the residents. I expect cops to walk away from the job when they burn out, also.



Again, I do understand.

Yes, but you see, in the magical NeverNever Land, the pixie-dust sprinkled Mayberry RFD that Michael-Q inhabits, cops breaking the law for the greater good, imposing some sort of pathological extra-legal psychosis in the form of beatings, is peachy-keen and only ultimately serves the greater good.

Apparently, in his world, breaking the law upholds the law.

Far more disgusting is seeing the flag desecrated by people wearing it for clothing (see first page)

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

I do expect cops to have emotions but I also expect them to control them. Yes, we'd all love to be the one to show a rapist how it feels but it's not up to us nor is it up to the police. The police cannot act outside of the boundaries of the law and then expect citizens to respect them. As it is now, an officer gets the same respect from me that he shows to me. If one comes up acting like a smart ass punk, I stay within the boundaries of the law but I let him know in no uncertain terms that I think he's a smart ass and shouldn't be wearing a badge. At 49, I'm NOT going to be abused by a 22 year old kid wearing a uniform during a routine traffic stop. Luckily, those assholes are few and far between in my local police department but the state police is full of "bad asses" who love to act like jerks.

You think I disagree with that?

Actually, I do understand. It's really not much different than being frustrated when you beg your supervisor for permission to overrule the doctor and send a nursing home resident to the hospital with a suspected hip fracture and you're told no. A week later, the patent's physician arrives and sends the woman to the hospital for surgery but unfortunately, she died while in the hospital and the family ended up suing the nursing home. I walked out of that nursing home after my shift the day Mrs. Laura was sent to the hospital and never went back because I couldn't be a part of what I considered to be criminal mistreatment of the residents. I expect cops to walk away from the job when they burn out, also.

You know...I'll continue this dialog with you because though you and I disagree about a lot, you seem actually interested in exchanging views. Actually, without sounding condescending, I admire you for walking out like that rather than participating in pathetic behavior. My situation was a bit different.

Picture yourself catching 3 monsters in the process of forcibly, brutally raping a young girl. No question about what was going on, shredded clothes, God awful screeching for help, three slugs hauling ass as the police car pulls up. One gets chased down and is caught by an officer who has this animal in his clutches and knows that the victim won't testify, the suspect will be released and is going to rape and kill again because of a system that is broken.

According to the rules the officer is supposed to advise the guy of his rights and take him to court. Think about the emotions, the frustrations, the sentiment in that officer's mind, an officer who signed up to put criminals in jail. The guy resists and gets a good beating.

Now...well..things are different. Everyone has a video camera and it's all about the rights of the animal. Helicopters, phones with cameras, only an idiot would subject themselves to a system which will gleefully put the cop in jail while letting slugs out the back door because of so-called over crowding. So what do you end up with. A police system where the cops are afraid to go on the offense.

No one here understands that, and to be honest, I don't think cops are like that anymore. They've got too much to lose. But back in the day, the bad guys were afraid and the decent people were able to walk the streets. Now, the career savages are bold, they don't fear anything, and the decent people are afraid to walk the streets once the sun goes down.

Once, I had a partner take me to the station and I went home "sick" because he mistreated a traffic violator that I thought should have been released. I'm not a nasty person who stalked the streets looking for someone to club. I was a cop who wanted to be a cop from the time I was in first grade, when there was an attempted murder in our front yard. I wanted to help people. Most of the guys I worked with were the same. My two most positive memorable incidents weren't shootings or stabbings, they revolved around a man whose dog was shot by vandals, the other a Chinese laundry owner who couldn't get the Black Muslims to leave the parking space in front of his business open. In those two cases I was actually able to help someone. I don't dwell on the hundreds of shootings and stabbings that I responded to, my pleasant memories are of helping people.

It's sickening to me the way this discussion has descended and it's sickening to me that in this day and age the cops are perceived as the bad guys and the suspects are the ones whose right should be protected. Cops are the good guys, they sign up to do the nasty job that no one wants to do. They've had all their tools taken away by liberals, every tool.

You're right about one thing...I'd never last in that job in this day and age, too thankless. In order for me to be fulfilled, I have to feel like I'm accomplishing something, not just going through the moves.

Originally Posted by Michael_Q

You think I disagree with that?



You know...I'll continue this dialog with you because though you and I disagree about a lot, you seem actually interested in exchanging views. Actually, without sounding condescending, I admire you for walking out like that rather than participating in pathetic behavior. My situation was a bit different.

Picture yourself catching 3 monsters in the process of forcibly, brutally raping a young girl. No question about what was going on, shredded clothes, God awful screeching for help, three slugs hauling ass as the police car pulls up. One gets chased down and is caught by an officer who has this animal in his clutches and knows that the victim won't testify, the suspect will be released and is going to rape and kill again because of a system that is broken.

To my experience, that doesn't happen. It's make-believe. Rapists of children don't make bail, and there's no way in advance any officer can know the outcome of a trial. What you're repeating here is stereotypical bullshit straight out of a Chuck Bronson film.

According to the rules the officer is supposed to advise the guy of his rights and take him to court. Think about the emotions, the frustrations, the sentiment in that officer's mind, an officer who signed up to put criminals in jail. The guy resists and gets a good beating.

Only by an officer who's a criminal. It's that simple, and you simply don't get it.

Now...well..things are different. Everyone has a video camera and it's all about the rights of the animal.

So do the police; it's to protect us from the bullshit we encounter every shift.

Helicopters, phones with cameras, only an idiot would subject themselves to a system which will gleefully put the cop in jail while letting slugs out the back door because of so-called over crowding.

Here's your chance: name the case where that happened.

So what do you end up with. A police system where the cops are afraid to go on the offense.

Bullshit.

No one here understands that, and to be honest, I don't think cops are like that anymore. They've got too much to lose. But back in the day, the bad guys were afraid and the decent people were able to walk the streets. Now, the career savages are bold, they don't fear anything, and the decent people are afraid to walk the streets once the sun goes down.

You have zero idea what you're talking about, and clearly are utterly unfamiliar with modern law enforcement and what we deal with on the street.

Once, I had a partner take me to the station and I went home "sick" because he mistreated a traffic violator that I thought should have been released. I'm not a nasty person who stalked the streets looking for someone to club. I was a cop who wanted to be a cop from the time I was in first grade, when there was an attempted murder in our front yard. I wanted to help people. Most of the guys I worked with were the same. My two most positive memorable incidents weren't shootings or stabbings, they revolved around a man whose dog was shot by vandals, the other a Chinese laundry owner who couldn't get the Black Muslims to leave the parking space in front of his business open. In those two cases I was actually able to help someone. I don't dwell on the hundreds of shootings and stabbings that I responded to, my pleasant memories are of helping people.

So what? How is the above in even the most cosmetic sense relevant to what you're claiming?

It's sickening to me the way this discussion has descended and it's sickening to me that in this day and age the cops are perceived as the bad guys and the suspects are the ones whose right should be protected. Cops are the good guys, they sign up to do the nasty job that no one wants to do. They've had all their tools taken away by liberals, every tool.

We are the good guys, we have more tools that you ever did, and I'm thankful as hell that you're no longer on the street, if you ever were, and that your type is dying out.

You're right about one thing...I'd never last in that job in this day and age, too thankless. In order for me to be fulfilled, I have to feel like I'm accomplishing something, not just going through the moves.

No, you clearly don't have the head for it.

Originally Posted by Michael_Q

You know...I'll continue this dialog with you because though you and I disagree about a lot, you seem actually interested in exchanging views. Actually, without sounding condescending, I admire you for walking out like that rather than participating in pathetic behavior. My situation was a bit different.

I guess that's an improvement over wanting to have the government shut her up by force. Speaking of pathetic behavior, are you just going to continue dodging the questions I asked earlier? Here you go:

So you wish to ban alcohol, tobacco and coffee?

And what criteria are you going to suggest for movies that are allowed to be shown?

Picture yourself catching 3 monsters in the process of forcibly, brutally raping a young girl. No question about what was going on, shredded clothes, God awful screeching for help, three slugs hauling ass as the police car pulls up. One gets chased down and is caught by an officer who has this animal in his clutches and knows that the victim won't testify, the suspect will be released and is going to rape and kill again because of a system that is broken.

If there is "no question about what was going on," then why would you have trouble proving it happened? Are you just making things up?

According to the rules the officer is supposed to advise the guy of his rights and take him to court. Think about the emotions, the frustrations, the sentiment in that officer's mind, an officer who signed up to put criminals in jail. The guy resists and gets a good beating.

It's not up to the cop to dish out punishment nor should it be. Frankly, it's not the cop that was the victim of the rape, anyway. It's not his place to have less mercy than the victim who will not testify.

Now...well..things are different. Everyone has a video camera and it's all about the rights of the animal. Helicopters, phones with cameras, only an idiot would subject themselves to a system which will gleefully put the cop in jail while letting slugs out the back door because of so-called over crowding. So what do you end up with. A police system where the cops are afraid to go on the offense.

I see nothing good about the "good old days" when cops could get away with needlessly brutalizing suspects because of lack of cameras (the people's ability to prove the guilt of the cops). Furthermore, sex offenders get royally fucked by the justice system and as far as the punishment is concerned, I would rather be a brutal cop than a convicted rapist. The latter is fucked for life more or less.

No one here understands that, and to be honest, I don't think cops are like that anymore. They've got too much to lose. But back in the day, the bad guys were afraid and the decent people were able to walk the streets. Now, the career savages are bold, they don't fear anything, and the decent people are afraid to walk the streets once the sun goes down.

Actually, I fear the cops more than I fear any "career savages." I've been fucked by the cops way more than I've been fucked by any of those "career savages" you keep mentioning. And guess what else? It's the cop's job to help convict you. Literally.

Once, I had a partner take me to the station and I went home "sick" because he mistreated a traffic violator that I thought should have been released. I'm not a nasty person who stalked the streets looking for someone to club. I was a cop who wanted to be a cop from the time I was in first grade, when there was an attempted murder in our front yard. I wanted to help people.

Then you picked the wrong profession. Cops help convict people, guilty or innocent. If you wanted to protect people, you should have been a bodyguard or something.

Most of the guys I worked with were the same. My two most positive memorable incidents weren't shootings or stabbings, they revolved around a man whose dog was shot by vandals, the other a Chinese laundry owner who couldn't get the Black Muslims to leave the parking space in front of his business open. In those two cases I was actually able to help someone. I don't dwell on the hundreds of shootings and stabbings that I responded to, my pleasant memories are of helping people.

It's sickening to me the way this discussion has descended and it's sickening to me that in this day and age the cops are perceived as the bad guys and the suspects are the ones whose right should be protected. Cops are the good guys, they sign up to do the nasty job that no one wants to do. They've had all their tools taken away by liberals, every tool.

Actually, they're both the bad guys. Regardless, both should have the right to a trial. Cops fuck you for victimless crimes and crooks pick your pocket when you're not watching. They're both stealing from you, more or less.

You're right about one thing...I'd never last in that job in this day and age, too thankless. In order for me to be fulfilled, I have to feel like I'm accomplishing something, not just going through the moves.

You need to beat someone up and then have someone stroke your ego for it?

Originally Posted by Michael_Q

...... I was a cop who wanted to be a cop from the time I was in first grade, ......

If you are a cop and always wanted to be a cop, why are you advocating that you also should be judge, jury, and prosecutor and impose the sentence immediately without benefit of a little something that exists in civilized societies called due process?

If people are getting off on technicalities then it is the cop’s job not to make technical violations of due process.

In our society we give some people, cops and the military for example, special training, and special powers in acting on this training. You appear to want to throw out the special responsibilities so that you can make snap decisions on who to beat the crap out of when you are frustrated by your own inadequacies as a cop to actually gather evidence, make arrests and all that other cop stuff that they should have taught you in cop school.

I bet that as a cop you never progressed in the ranks much and were frustrated by watching people who actually understood the law, the process and generally had a clue about how a society should function get ahead of you.

Originally Posted by RDK

If you are a cop and always wanted to be a cop, why are you advocating that you also should be judge, jury, and prosecutor and impose the sentence immediately without benefit of a little something that exists in civilized societies called due process?

I WAS a cop, many years ago in a much different era. This is a question that I don't expect anyone to understand who hasn't either been on the front lines of vicious crime, or been the victim and watched as the so-called "due process" works in favor of the suspect each and every time.

We had "due-process" in those days, it's just that there was more common sense involved. Like I pointed out, I could never do that job in today's atmosphere. It's insane.

If people are getting off on technicalities then it is the cop’s job not to make technical violations of due process.

That's ignorant. What you're suggesting is that the training to become a police officer should include law school. That's nuts. It used to be that they had standards to become a police officer, but then diversity became the main objective, not crime fighting.

Once getting through all the testing and background investigations the police officer was hired and in the courts treated his assessment of probable cause to be reliable. Now liberals have hand cuffed every manner of law enforcement to the point that there have been actual cases where someone called to report a rape, the cops got there and knocked but no one came to the door. In my day the door would have come down because there was probable cause, but in this one case the officers sat in their car waiting for a telephonic search warrant from some judge 30 miles away in his office. The rape took place while they sat there. That happened. And that's what I mean about liberalism and lunacy prevailing in the fight against crime. The same thing happens in a million different ways every day in this country now.

In our society we give some people, cops and the military for example, special training, and special powers in acting on this training. You appear to want to throw out the special responsibilities so that you can make snap decisions on who to beat the crap out of when you are frustrated by your own inadequacies as a cop to actually gather evidence, make arrests and all that other cop stuff that they should have taught you in cop school.

No, nothing like that. "Frustration"? You bet. The criminals are running the show, you have no idea. There's no way I can tell you the shock I got when I saw what people will do to one another in the inner city. Any thinking person is going to get frustrated as the system fails over and over right in front of them, and animals are released over and over to hurt and kill while the cops are out there trying to make sense out of a legal system dominated by liberal screwballs.

I bet that as a cop you never progressed in the ranks much and were frustrated by watching people who actually understood the law, the process and generally had a clue about how a society should function get ahead of you.

You're right there, I never sought "promotion", I liked working the streets in a black and white, not doing paperwork and riding herd on other cops.

Originally Posted by Slon

If there is "no question about what was going on," then why would you have trouble proving it happened? Are you just making things up?It's not up to the cop to dish out punishment nor should it be.

Because the victims are all terrified to testify so, you've got no case. In this situation the victim did refuse because she was afraid they'd kill her. If it was your daughter or wife would you be happy the cops didn't put a scratch on him? Get real. It's all theory with liberals but just let them be touched personally by some of this savagery and suddenly they start feeling a little more conservative in their approaches to dealing with these monsters.

Originally Posted by Michael_Q

Miranda, and "Fruit of the poison tree doctrine", on and on....the instances are numerous, the Constitution has been dissected by lawyers and liberal judges. The level of freedom now is way beyond what it was 50 years ago.

Kindly provide links for your examples. I'd like to know what new rights have been "discovered" in the constitution.

Well because I'm the one with the hypothesis. You can see that can't you?

But why the 50's? Why not the 40's? Why not the 1770's? What was so great about the 1950's? My guess is that you have fond childhood memories of the decade, nothing more.

Don't make me laugh. You only have to look at society to see, beyond any doubt, that parents aren't doing their jobs and their jobs are harder because of irresponsible use of the air waves and the media.

So who is at fault here? Now you are blaming both parents and the media.

Again, we have rules in place, set by the FCC. Which rules would you suggest we change?

It's sad that we have no limits on depravity as we watch our society spiral down the toilet.

You are entitled to your opinion, as is everyone else. Personally, I like porn. What gives you the right to take away my porn?

Wrong. Youth is ignorant and they suck up what they're fed. Hollywood is treasonous.

No, I think hollywood is just giving the public what it wants. It's up to you to prove otherwise. If you've got some actual proof of treason, then present it to the State Department. Otherwise you are just spouting your opinion. Nothing wrong with having an opinion and shouting it from the rooftops, but please don't insult our intelligence by pretending that your opinion somehow trumps everyone else's.