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    How Smart Are We?

    July 27, 2010

    By Thomas Sowell


    Many of the wonderful-sounding ideas that have been tried as government policies have failed disastrously. Because so few people bother to study history, often the same ideas and policies have been tried again, either in another country or in the same country at a later time-- and with the same disastrous results.

    Here goes America down the same path of so many others. We are now in the process of making America like so many other weak socialist countries.

    “Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” George Santayana(1863-1952)


    One of the ideas that has proved to be almost impervious to evidence is the idea that wise and far-sighted people need to take control and plan economic and social policies so that there will be a rational and just order, rather than chaos resulting from things being allowed to take their own course. It sounds so logical and plausible that demanding hard evidence would seem almost like nit-picking.


    In one form or another, this idea goes back at least as far as the French Revolution in the 18th century. As J.A. Schumpeter later wrote of that era, "general well-being ought to have been the consequence," but "instead we find misery, shame and, at the end of it all, a stream of blood."

    The same could be said of the Bolshevik Revolution and other revolutions of the 20th century.

    The idea that the wise and knowledgeable few need to take control of the less wise and less knowledgeable many has taken milder forms-- and repeatedly with bad results as well.

    One of the most easily documented examples has been economic central planning, which was tried in countries around the world at various times during the 20th century, among people of differing races and cultures, and under government ranging from democracies to dictatorships.

    The people who ran central planning agencies usually had more advanced education than the population at large, and probably higher IQs as well.

    The central planners also had far more statistics and other facts at their disposal than the average person had. Moreover, there were usually specialized experts such as economists and statisticians on the staffs of the central planners, and outside consultants were available when needed. Finally, the central planners had the power of government behind them, to enforce the plans they created.

    It is hardly surprising that conservatives, such as Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher in Britain and President Ronald Reagan in the United States, opposed this approach. What is remarkable is that, after a few decades of experience with central planning in some countries, or a few generations in others, even communists and socialists began to repudiate this approach.

    As they replaced central planning with more reliance on markets, their countries' economic growth rate almost invariably increased, often dramatically. In the largest and most recent examples-- China and India-- people by the millions have risen above these countries' official poverty rates, after they freed their economies from many of their suffocating government controls.

    China, where famines have repeatedly ravaged the country, now has a problem of obesity-- not a good thing in itself, but a big improvement over famines.

    This has implications far beyond economics. Think about it: How was it even possible that transferring decisions from elites with more education, intellect, data and power to ordinary people could lead consistently to demonstrably better results?

    Power corrupts. Power corrupts ALL. Those that deny this are fooling only themselves. Allowing a few arrogant "elites" to "lead" us, will ALWAYS lead to trouble.

    If we become unwilling or unable to care for and govern ourselves, our need of "guidance" grows and we bring great trouble upon ourselves.


    One implication is that no one is smart enough to carry out social engineering, whether in the economy or in other areas where the results may not always be so easily quantifiable. We learn, not from our initial brilliance, but from trial and error adjustments to events as they unfold.

    Science tells us that the human brain reaches its maximum potential in early adulthood. Why then are young adults so seldom capable of doing what people with more years of experience can do?

    Because experience trumps brilliance.

    Elites may have more brilliance, but those who make decisions for society as a whole cannot possibly have as much experience as the millions of people whose decisions they pre-empt. The education and intellects of the elites may lead them to have more sweeping presumptions, but that just makes them more dangerous to the freedom, as well as the well-being, of the people as a whole.

    In otherwords, being educated doesn't make you smart, it just makes you educated. Arrogance usually accompanies "education."


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    Re: How Smart Are We?

    "power corrupts, absolute power absolutely corrupts."

    So then, your argument is that ignorance multiplied by millions is smarter than smart multiplied by thousands?

    As to arrogance coming through education... really? The most arrogant people I know are poorly educated yet successful people. It seems to go with "I am a self-made man" persona. The educated people I know are rarely arrogant, and they are rarely wrong (they know enough to shut up about the stuff they do not know about).


    I would add one other bit of wisdom I picked up years ago. When dealing with the unknown, the group is always smarter than any individual in that group.
    "There is no gain in arguing with a poo flinging monkey. While his
    gibbering and raucous cries of victory may seem obnoxious in your ears
    as you walk away, he will soon be quietly sitting behind his bars again
    and licking his own feces off his fingers as you carry on with your day."

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    Re: How Smart Are We?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dick Martin View Post
    "power corrupts, absolute power absolutely corrupts."
    The quote by Lord Acton actually was:

    "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

    Just saying...

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    Re: How Smart Are We?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dick Martin View Post
    So then, your argument is that ignorance multiplied by millions is smarter than smart multiplied by thousands?
    Another quote for you... let's see if you know who said it...

    "Democracy is based on the assumption that a million men are wiser than one man. How’s that again? I missed something.

    Autocracy is based on the assumption that one man is wiser than a million men. Let’s play that over again, too. Who decides? "

    And we cannot have this discussion without this quote:

    "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."

    -Winston Churchill

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsquare View Post
    Another quote for you... let's see if you know who said it...

    "Democracy is based on the assumption that a million men are wiser than one man. How’s that again? I missed something.

    Autocracy is based on the assumption that one man is wiser than a million men. Let’s play that over again, too. Who decides? "

    And we cannot have this discussion without this quote:

    "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."

    -Winston Churchill
    OH, OK. We are on the same page in the Hymnal. I believe exactly what you are saying. Thats why I want everyone to vote, including illegals. The more who vote, the better. I thought you wanted an intelligence test for voting, and anyone who passed the test could not vote.

    What does bother me however is when people begin believing the lies. Fox News is hyping the people, and they are sucking it up and it bothers me. Glenn Beck is typical. He will say anything that he believes will fire up his base, and it awful to see so many people hoodwinked by that charlatan. He provides Goldline with exactly the gullible demographic they want - no wonder they advertise with him.

    When we were talking about smart v dumb, dishonesty was not a part of the equation.
    "There is no gain in arguing with a poo flinging monkey. While his
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    as you walk away, he will soon be quietly sitting behind his bars again
    and licking his own feces off his fingers as you carry on with your day."

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    Re: How Smart Are We?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dick Martin View Post
    OH, OK. We are on the same page in the Hymnal. I believe exactly what you are saying. Thats why I want everyone to vote, including illegals.
    Nope, you lost me there...

    Either we are a nation of laws or we are not.

    The day you and I can go to France or Canada, or Mexico and vote we can talk about illegals voting here.

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    Re: How Smart Are We?

    Quote Originally Posted by tsquare View Post
    Nope, you lost me there...

    Either we are a nation of laws or we are not.

    The day you and I can go to France or Canada, or Mexico and vote we can talk about illegals voting here.
    We are not any of those other countries.

    I understand the desire that only citizens vote. However, if your reasoning is sound about more voters is better (which I totally agree with) then wouldn't it follow that adding illegals to the voting pool would be even better?
    "There is no gain in arguing with a poo flinging monkey. While his
    gibbering and raucous cries of victory may seem obnoxious in your ears
    as you walk away, he will soon be quietly sitting behind his bars again
    and licking his own feces off his fingers as you carry on with your day."

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    Re: How Smart Are We?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Trips View Post
    Interesting where this has gone

    I'm sure that's my fault somehow.
    hmmm... no. mea culpa. Sorry. My mind wanders way too often.

    I wonder ... is that a sign of How smart we are?
    "There is no gain in arguing with a poo flinging monkey. While his
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    as you walk away, he will soon be quietly sitting behind his bars again
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    Re: How Smart Are We?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dick Martin View Post
    hmmm... no. mea culpa. Sorry. My mind wanders way too often.

    I wonder ... is that a sign of How smart we are?
    Naw, it just shows how distracted we are.

    In general, we have a complete inability to focus our attention for longer than 3 seconds.

    We can blame "the world," we can blame "the culture," we can blame "the politicians," but it's really our own fault.

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