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    Reagan's myth has grown over time

    On his 100th birthday, it's important to remember former President Reagan as a laid back, homely (such as simple but cozy and comfortable, as in one's own), man who did a lot to bring about a renewed faith in the US. However, it's also important to consider his flaws and failings, or we run the risk of making him a myth only.Reagan's myth has grown over time - CNN.com

    Washington (CNN) -- As the late President Ronald Reagan's 100th birthday is observed, historians point out that his political successes, not his persona, have been mythologized over the years.

    "Today's Republicans created this fantasy role of Reagan as anti-government," said presidential historian Douglas Brinkley. "He was really Reagan of government efficiency."

    Brinkley, who edited the best-selling book "The Reagan Diaries," which is based on the 40th president's diary accounts, said Reagan mainly wanted to roll back the "excesses of the 'Great Society' domestically, not abolish them."

    "He was never talking about doing away with Medicaid, Medicare, or abolishing HUD," he said. "It had more to do with trimming the federal budget."
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    Re: Reagan's myth has grown over time

    Pretty much... although he definitely didn't roll back military spending.

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    Re: Reagan's myth has grown over time

    he sucked in the '80's and he sucks now. My idea on the demi-god has not changed since he changed it with a tax increase.
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    Re: Reagan's myth has grown over time

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    Pretty much... although he definitely didn't roll back military spending.
    Nope, he saved us trillions by doing so. Look what happened to the greatest threat this country has faced to date as a result.
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    Re: Reagan's myth has grown over time

    Quote Originally Posted by 9aces View Post
    Nope, he saved us trillions by doing so. Look what happened to the greatest threat this country has faced to date as a result.
    What does the Cold War have to do with airport security? The kind of spending Reagan increased was focused on interventionism abroad. He didn't spend money in areas that would have prevented 9/11 from occurring. Granted, you could argue some of his spending financed actions abroad that helped contribute to 9/11 in terms of anger against us.
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    Re: Reagan's myth has grown over time

    Quote Originally Posted by 9aces View Post
    Nope, he saved us trillions by doing so. Look what happened to the greatest threat this country has faced to date as a result.
    ?? What do you believe would have happened differently in the USSR with a different US President?
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    Re: Reagan's myth has grown over time

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    What does the Cold War have to do with airport security? The kind of spending Reagan increased was focused on interventionism abroad. He didn't spend money in areas that would have prevented 9/11 from occurring. Granted, you could argue some of his spending financed actions abroad that helped contribute to 9/11 in terms of anger against us.
    Nothing could have prevented 9/11 from occurring. When you have those who care nothing that they die, only that YOU die, you cannot stop them unless you kill them first.

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    Re: Reagan's myth has grown over time

    Quote Originally Posted by Dick Martin View Post
    ?? What do you believe would have happened differently in the USSR with a different US President?
    They collapsed their economy trying to keep up with NATO military technology. Initiatives Reagan got through congress.

    Of course that spending had a downside, which was all the pork the Democrats threw in the spending bills in order to get what he wanted.

    Considering the lack of integrity and initiative every president since Reagan has demonstrated, it's doubtful the USSR would have felt threatened by them, and able to take a less aggressive financial position which may have enabled them to survive.
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    Re: Reagan's myth has grown over time

    Dear USPO liberals,
    History remembers President Ronald Reagan as a great man. Please deal with it at your convienience.
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    Re: Reagan's myth has grown over time

    Quote Originally Posted by chassisman View Post
    Dear USPO liberals,
    History remembers President Ronald Reagan as a great man. Please deal with it at your convienience.
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    I remember Ronald Reagan as a great man.

    So? He was a great man. That doesn't mean he did all the things being credited to him now.

    The only point I have ever made is that if he were here today, the Republican Right wing would purge him from their party.
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    Re: Reagan's myth has grown over time

    Quote Originally Posted by 9aces View Post
    Nothing could have prevented 9/11 from occurring. When you have those who care nothing that they die, only that YOU die, you cannot stop them unless you kill them first.
    I agreed with you up until the "unless you kill them first" part.

    The less involved we are with their internal affairs, the less capable extremists are at rousing pawns to attack us.

    I don't believe we should turn our airports into police states or that we should pass more things like the Patriot Act to get some false sense of security, but I also don't want us meddling in the Middle East as much.

    Quote Originally Posted by 9aces View Post
    The United States will be hated by the Mulsim world until it becomes a Muslim country, ruled by Muslim law.

    The United States is hated simply because it exists.
    No, certain extremists will hate us no matter what. Most Muslims don't actually hate us, but they certainly don't like us intervening in their affairs either.

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    Re: Reagan's myth has grown over time

    Quote Originally Posted by 9aces View Post
    They collapsed their economy trying to keep up with NATO military technology. Initiatives Reagan got through congress.

    Of course that spending had a downside, which was all the pork the Democrats threw in the spending bills in order to get what he wanted.

    Considering the lack of integrity and initiative every president since Reagan has demonstrated, it's doubtful the USSR would have felt threatened by them, and able to take a less aggressive financial position which may have enabled them to survive.
    While the arms race expedited the fall of the USSR, the Communist economic model would have eventually collapsed without it.

    Hindsight is 20/20, but going the arms race route weakened America in terms of finances. We may have more military technology now partially because of it, but in the long run, we'd be a lot better off with less debt.

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    Re: Reagan's myth has grown over time

    Quote Originally Posted by 9aces View Post
    They collapsed their economy trying to keep up with NATO military technology. Initiatives Reagan got through congress.

    Of course that spending had a downside, which was all the pork the Democrats threw in the spending bills in order to get what he wanted.

    Considering the lack of integrity and initiative every president since Reagan has demonstrated, it's doubtful the USSR would have felt threatened by them, and able to take a less aggressive financial position which may have enabled them to survive.
    The USSR's economy was collapsed long before Ronald Reagan was elected. Did Reagan accelerate the inevitable? Maybe. Heck, I'll even agree that Reagan probably accelerated the fall of the USSR. But that he caused the fall of the USSR? Nah. That is a claim too far.
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