Thread: Since 9/11: 126 American Arrested For Terrorism - All Muslim

Originally Posted by JohnLocke

Since 9/11, the FBI has arrested 126 Americans for terrorism. All of them were Muslims, Holder: Home-grown terrorist threat keeps me awake at night Hot Air. Yet, the Left cannot connect the enemy to Muslims.

If we do not define the problem correctly, we are not going to craft a correct solution. Why is there such divergence in American politics of who the enemy is?

IMO, hotair.com with this vicious spin betrays country for the power and money that comes with partisan politics like so much else in left and right wing biased media, never mind the American value system in its laws where lesser Americans betray it.

The first thing to really identify is: what is a terrorist? The whole discussion is a pile of doo-doo and prone to people spinning it for agendas other than what should be relevant unless that is established. Using Occam's Razor, plain English and the US government Dept. of Defense definition, I go right for the definition itself:

The calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear

Terrorism | Define Terrorism at Dictionary.com
U.S. Department of Defense Definition of Terrorism

Now, is what Hot Air said accurate applying that definition or just hot air? It's just hot air. In fact, non-Muslim home grown terrorists exceed the number of Muslim ones, e.g.,

Domestic terrorism
Study shows more non-Muslim terrorists in U.S.
Published 15 February 2011

A new report found that the number of American Muslims involved in terrorist acts dropped by more than half compared to 2009; in 2010 twenty American Muslims were arrested for terrorism, down from 2009's peak of forty-seven; in 2010 there were more than twenty plots by non-Muslims compared to the ten Muslim Americans arrested for domestic plots; the report supports the argument that fears of domestic radicalization are exaggerated, . . .

Study shows more non-Muslim terrorists in U.S. | Homeland Security News Wire

For example, do you remember Joseph Stack who flew a plane AQ-style into an IRS building? Or white supremacist James Von Brunn who gunned down people at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC? Do you know who the Hutaree Christian militia are?

Who are the Christian militia 'Hutaree' and why was the FBI targeting them?
Mon Mar 29, 4:16 pm ET

This weekend, the FBI conducted a series of raids in Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana to detain members of a Christian militia group on criminal charges. So what does this group believe, and how do its members fit in with the larger radical right?

The group in question calls itself the "Hutaree"; its website says the term translates as "Christian warrior." And in keeping with that name, the material it has posted online reflects an outlook of violent religious confrontation. The Hutaree believe that acts of violence can bring about the final judgment prophesied in the Christian Bible — and therefore have been arming themselves to go to war with the Antichrist, "evil Jews," and Muslims. They have documented their training exercises in a series of YouTube videos. And they spell out the theological rationale for their actions on the "About Us" page on their website:

Jesus wanted us to be ready to defend ourselves using the sword and stay alive using equipment. The only thing on earth to save the testimony and those who follow it, are the members of the testimony, til the return of Christ in the clouds. We, the Hutaree, are prepared to defend all those who belong to Christ and save those who aren't. We will still spread the word, and fight to keep it, up to the time of the great coming ... The Hutaree will one day see its enemy and meet him on the battlefield if so God wills it. We will reach out to those who are yet blind in the last days of the kingdoms of men and bring them to life in Christ.

According to the indictment unsealed this morning in court, the nine members of the group — eight men and one woman — planned to "levy war" against the U.S. government. To incite such a war, the group planned to murder law enforcement officials and then follow up their initial attacks with a separate attack on the fallen officers' funeral(s), where a large number of law enforcement personnel would no doubt be gathered.

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Who are the Christian militia 'Hutaree' and why was the FBI targeting them? - Yahoo! News

The fact is that terrorism is a tactic of very criminally prone zealots, and all sorts of people of any stripe within the provided definition can get involved in it. Their victims are equally injured or dead too.

It's also a fact that it's sane and productive people who help identify and bust them because they care about their country, community and humanity. That includes the huge percentage of Muslim American who hate what such people do in the supposed name of their faith, just as much as Christian American people of of good will do towards people like the Hutaree, abortion clinic bombers and any other violent extremists who claim to act in their name.

You cited your fact of 127 arrests of American Muslims since 9.11 from Hot Air. Given today's date, that's approximately 9 1/2 years since that time. That's approximately 13-14 people by average a year, and that number is imbalanced given a few big nets in a clique in certain incidents. There are millions of Muslims in the US. The number of terrorists are therefore statistically negligible to blame an entire group for them.

After all, there are plenty of white American paedophiles, rapists, robbers, thieves, etc, and there are certainly far more than them than terrorists. Are you a paedophile, rapist, robber, thief, etc? Hopefully not and certainly most whites support law enforcement for addressing them and would and do cooperate with them if they can.

The issue to me is knowing what terrorism is and its catalysts, sources, etc. That is where the study ought to focus...getting all terrorist bastards like any other criminals who endanger this nation, and especially these types, and seeking to identify and rebut it on the preventative side as well as the enforcement side. That includes any Muslim or non-Muslim catalysts, groups, etc.

Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere

IMO, hotair.com with this vicious spin betrays country for the power and money that comes with partisan politics like so much else in left and right wing biased media, never mind the American value system in its laws where lesser Americans betray it.

The first thing to really identify is: what is a terrorist? The whole discussion is a pile of doo-doo and prone to people spinning it for agendas other than what should be relevant unless that is established. Using Occam's Razor, plain English and the US government Dept. of Defense definition, I go right for the definition itself:



Terrorism | Define Terrorism at Dictionary.com
U.S. Department of Defense Definition of Terrorism

Now, is what Hot Air said accurate applying that definition or just hot air? It's just hot air. In fact, non-Muslim home grown terrorists exceed the number of Muslim ones, e.g.,



Study shows more non-Muslim terrorists in U.S. | Homeland Security News Wire

For example, do you remember Joseph Stack who flew a plane AQ-style into an IRS building? Or white supremacist James Von Brunn who gunned down people at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC? Do you know who the Hutaree Christian militia are?



Who are the Christian militia 'Hutaree' and why was the FBI targeting them? - Yahoo! News

The fact is that terrorism is a tactic of very criminally prone zealots, and all sorts of people of any stripe within the provided definition can get involved in it. Their victims are equally injured or dead too.

It's also a fact that it's sane and productive people who help identify and bust them because they care about their country, community and humanity. That includes the huge percentage of Muslim American who hate what such people do in the supposed name of their faith, just as much as Christian American people of of good will do towards people like the Hutaree, abortion clinic bombers and any other violent extremists who claim to act in their name.

You cited your fact of 127 arrests of American Muslims since 9.11 from Hot Air. Given today's date, that's approximately 9 1/2 years since that time. That's approximately 13-14 people by average a year, and that number is imbalanced given a few big nets in a clique in certain incidents. There are millions of Muslims in the US. The number of terrorists are therefore statistically negligible to blame an entire group for them.

After all, there are plenty of white American paedophiles, rapists, robbers, thieves, etc, and there are certainly far more than them than terrorists. Are you a paedophile, rapist, robber, thief, etc? Hopefully not and certainly most whites support law enforcement for addressing them and would and do cooperate with them if they can.

The issue to me is knowing what terrorism is and its catalysts, sources, etc. That is where the study ought to focus...getting all terrorist bastards like any other criminals who endanger this nation, and especially these types, and seeking to identify and rebut it on the preventative side. That includes any Muslim or non-Muslim catalysts, groups, etc.

Wow, you quite literally just debunked, punked and owned this whole thread in that post.

Later today, Republicans in Washington will lead hearings to investigate the Muslim community in America, which makes today a double day of national shame as fascism in Wisconsin moves forward and Big Brother shines a spotlight on all Muslims instead of continuing to strengthen our relationship with the Muslim community since they do care about deterring terrorism, just look at the nearly 50 cases in which Muslims blew the whistle on their own in terms of potential actions by extremists within America.

Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere

After all, there are plenty of white American paedophiles, rapists, robbers, thieves, etc, and there are certainly far more than them than terrorists. .

"Plenty" compared to what?

Reply to hairballxavier above:

The rest of the white American public who aren't criminals.

Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere

Reply to hairballxavier above:

The rest of the white American public who aren't criminals.

Why do you feel it necessary to single out white Americans?

Originally Posted by JohnLocke

Since 9/11, the FBI has arrested 126 Americans for terrorism. All of them were Muslims, Holder: Home-grown terrorist threat keeps me awake at night Hot Air. Yet, the Left cannot connect the enemy to Muslims.

If we do not define the problem correctly, we are not going to craft a correct solution. Why is there such divergence in American politics of who the enemy is?

Political correctness.

Originally Posted by hairballxavier

Why do you feel it necessary to single out white Americans?

They're these crazy demonstration things that are used to clarify one's point that are sometimes referred to as "examples". If it hurts your sensibilities too much, just mentally replace "white people" with "black people" and the point remains the same. Hope this helps.

Hey, at least hotair is well named.

Originally Posted by hairballxavier

Why do you feel it necessary to single out white Americans?

Great question!

Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere

IMO, hotair.com with this vicious spin betrays country for the power and money that comes with partisan politics like so much else in left and right wing biased media, never mind the American value system in its laws where lesser Americans betray it.

You seem to focus on the messenger rather than the message. The fact is 126 American Arrested For Terrorism - All Muslim since 9/11. This is not bias. This is a fact.

The idea that only "lesser Americans" recognize who are enemy is as some kind of betrayal shows why the need for this thread.

Originally Posted by JohnLocke

You seem to focus on the messenger rather than the message. The fact is 126 American Arrested For Terrorism - All Muslim since 9/11. This is not bias. This is a fact.

It's not a fact...it's an entirely false statement and showed you why using plain facts. I'm focusing on both the messenger and the message to dispel it.

Originally Posted by JohnLocke

The idea that only "lesser Americans" recognize who are enemy is as some kind of betrayal shows why the need for this thread.

The simple fact is that those who believe that don't know 'who the enemy is' or how to best deal with them, and that makes them weak on national security issues. If you believe that Hot Air representation, then you're making this country weak on national security.

Originally Posted by JohnLocke

You seem to focus on the messenger rather than the message. The fact is 126 American Arrested For Terrorism - All Muslim since 9/11. This is not bias. This is a fact.

The idea that only "lesser Americans" recognize who are enemy is as some kind of betrayal shows why the need for this thread.

I don't reckon we have had any radicals trying to kill us John. Shame on you for saying this has happened. Get this, it really wasn't radical Muslims, it was actually the white Christians behind this. So, don't ever believe radical Muslims are any clear and present danger. That makes you an Islamaphobe and a racist to boot. And you might hurt an innocent Muslim's feelings if you ever state facts. Surely you know by now that we would rather be politically correct than to save one American life. Gotta have our priiorites in order here! Lives are meaningless today. We even kill defenseless babies because they would cramp our lifestyles. And we might hurt a Muslim's feelings if we said the radicals came from Muslim communiites. So shut the fuck up! You are messing with fantasies here, and the reality is much too bad to even ponder.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

I don't reckon we have had any radicals trying to kill us John. Shame on you for saying this has happened. Get this, it really wasn't radical Muslims, it was actually the white Christians behind this. So, don't ever believe radical Muslims are any clear and present danger. That makes you an Islamaphobe and a racist to boot. And you might hurt an innocent Muslim's feelings if you ever state facts. Surely you know by now that we would rather be politically correct than to save one American life. Gotta have our priiorites in order here! Lives are meaningless today. We even kill defenseless babies because they would cramp our lifestyles. And we might hurt a Muslim's feelings if we said the radicals came from Muslim communiites. So shut the fuck up! You are messing with fantasies here, and the reality is much too bad to even ponder.

Generally speaking, the best way to handle terrorism is to encourage the Muslim community itself to help us weed out extremists. They've already successfully done this on multiple occasions.

It's similar to how we enlist the help of Islamic governments to find their own extremists.

So, while we shouldn't be politically correct about things, it is important to create an environment of cooperation rather than of fear and prejudice.