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Send me Fred Phelps and I can dismantle his 'exegesis' with half my brain tied behind my back. I would happily do it right here. In contrast, I am far from convinced that moderate Muslim scholars have the upper hand in the debate over whether Islam is a religion of peace or more like a battle plan for forcing us all to submit to Allah.Originally Posted by Tuco
I don't think bin Laden and his ilk need my help in making his religion look bad.Originally Posted by Tuco
Rev. Richard Land on why as a Christian he supports the Iraq war; Iraq war 3-year anniversary; just-war theory- Beliefnet.com
I am asking because of all the Muslims i know, none of them care about all these theories and opinions. They just live their lifes.
Scholars have little impact on their lifes, outside from extremist and hick circles. Sounds familiar from the US?
But it becomes very obvious that the religious rival annoys you, cause otherwise you wouldnt insist on trying to convince us how badass all of them are, when they are not.
So where is the difference?
When Religious groups gain political power, they will force their shit on anyone and use violence and find some verses to justify it.
Its all in the history books.
Was I annoyed when we were attacked on 9/11 by radical Islamists? Slightly.Originally Posted by Tuco
What would they have to do before they warranted being called 'badass' by your estimation? Detonate a nuke in one of harbors? Maybe a dirty bomb or two in a couple major cities?
Or would you cling to your 'they are no worse than the Crusaders' argument?
Atrocities abound the history books. Stalin is history, too. Christians have plenty of power in this country. But they long ago learned to be content to live peacably within the bounds of law.Originally Posted by Tuco
But then jihad isn't part of Christianity.
"No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principles."
-- Patrick Henry
It comes across as amusing to me that the US is only a Christian nation when it invades Iraq. It seems both the secularists and the radical Islamists are stuck in the Crusaderís era.Originally Posted by Unique POV
I always thought we invaded Iraq to benefit Haliburton---with Christian empire coming somewhere down the pike, but I digress. I donít know what your point is, but the one you seem to be leaning towards is the one that has Christianity being no worse than Islam---historically, anyway.
Today, not centuries ago, blasphemy is considered a capital offense in some Muslim countries. And I donít mean when Muslims blaspheme. The law is applied to everyone who says the wrong thing about Mohammed or Allah.
Ostensibly, this law is rooted in the Koran. Is there anything similar in the either testament of the Bible? And I mean, specifically, where an unbeliever is subject to capital punishment for blasphemy. Not where God will judge them in eternity.
Christianity doesnt have the political power it used to have anymore. Thats the difference and that is good.
When it had the power it chopped off heads, burned blasphemers and destroyed mosques/sectarian churches and denied all kinds of womens rights.
It was stripped off its power and reduced to a private issue.
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And why don't they have the same effect on, say, disgruntled Hindus?
Here is a bit of important history you've over-looked. This secular nation was formed by predominantly Christian men who saw absolutely no contradiction between the Bible, Christian doctrine and the form of government we enjoy.Originally Posted by Tuco
The reason they saw no contradiction is because there isn't any.
I submit to you, that if it had been formed by predominantly Muslim thinkers we wouldn't recognize it today. In fact, we might well be living under sharia law--because that is what the Koran stipulates.
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Now i am asking you. Why didnt you take notice of this?
Too focused on Muslims?
Anti-Christian quotes of the Founding Fathers, please cite source? - Yahoo! Answers
And so on."The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
~ Thomas Jefferson letter to John Adams (1823)
"...the Christian religion was sometimes our topic: and I then promised you that, one day or other, I would give you my views of it. They are the result of a life of inquiry and reflection, and very different from that Anti-Christian system, imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of Christianity, I am indeed opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished anyone to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence, and believing he never claimed any other."
~ Thomas Jefferson letter to Benjamin Rush (1803)
Use of Quran by the Founding Fathers
In contrast, radical Islamists appeal to the Koran and ahadith to justify their mayhem. For example, the reward of 70 virgins in Paradise for death during jihad drives many young Muslim men to become self-sacrificing murderers for the sake of Islam. And the effect is global and not confined to two countries or even as single region.
One almost has to try to not focus on Muslims to miss it.
I won't respond to the notion that the founders had a hate on for Christianity because I don't want to justify that idea. Though it's interesting you brought up TJ's Koran. If Jefferson had a love affair with Islam it was quite inspite of the fact that, as our third POTUS, he was forced to spend blood and treasure in the very region [off of Tripoli] where we are today bombing Kaddhafi.Originally Posted by Tuco
Reason being, the Barbary Pirates basically had a little Islamic protection racket going on in the shipping lanes off of North Africa. There is this thing called the 'jizya'---instituted by Mohammed, whereby the infidel is required to pay a tax for not being Muslim and the Barbary Pirates were doing their utmost to follow the commandment. Jefferson rightly grew weary of the expense and went to war with them over it.
Jefferson was trying to educate himself with that Koran. I wonder if Keith Ellison is aware of it's history.