Thread: The Koran is a Hate Filled Holy Book

Originally Posted by fishjoel

Wow.....you didn't read any of the thread, did you? You're like the 3rd or 4th person to quote Judaic texts. Now how about you try and do that with Christian texts.

The truth is you cannot quote the N.T. and prove that text is just like the O.T. or the Koran. So this drives folks to the O.T. which is the Holy Book of the Jews, but read by Christians, but not observed by Christians. It is more of a history of the Jews than anything else.

Now back to the original subject. That the Koran is a book that is filled with hate. Indeed it is. Just spend some time reading it to find out for yourself. It is blatant and very obvious where the radicals draw their ideas from.

Now you can deny it as the good Congressman did, but all you have to do is to simply read it to find out. And if you have just a smidge of reading comprehension, it will be very obvious to you just how the radicals can act and believe as they do. Islam is indeed the most dangerous religion on this earth today, and replaced Christianity as being the most dangerous.

I find it funny that most of this thread is off topic, and we had the usuals bring up other religious books, instead of addressing the topic. And what is funny about this is that they had to compare the O.T. to the Koran, instead of the N.T. Of course if one is aware of the N.T., he is also aware of the lack of hatred in the N.T. And I agree with one poster who said the teachings of Christ is closer to Buddhism than Judaism or Islam. What religion NEVER started a war? Buddhism. And I would submit that if the teachings of Christ had been followed to the letter, Christianity would have never started a war either. And as I have contended here, Christianity was hijacked sometime after the death of Christ, and what we have today arose from that hijacking.

Originally Posted by Captain Trips

If you need proof that the koran is a book of hate, death and killing go here:


Photos of the murder of the Fogel family in the town of Itamar, north of Jerusalem, on March 11, 2011 by Arab terrorists.

Photos of Fogel Family Murder - Defense/Middle East - Israel News - Israel National News

This is what the wonderful koran teaches. Learn.

I need no proof as I can read, even the Koran. It's the folks that will not read it that this stupidity arises from. A guy starts a thread about the Koran and it doesn't take long to change it to other religious books! I guess folks are just waiting for the chance to once again trash the Bible. Not that much of the O.T. does not need trashing, but that wasn't the topic.

Originally Posted by fishjoel

Christianity doesn't say anything about hate or killing people for their beliefs and or actions. It does say to love your enemies and love those that hate you. Jesus eschewed the religious leaders of the day and spent his time with the "sinners".

Nonsense, there's a whole lot of killing people for their beliefs and behaviors in the bible, here's just a few:

A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed. Exodus21:15,17

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Exodus21:24-25

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Exodus22:18

"Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death." Exodus 22:19

He who sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed." Exodus 22:20

Kill anyone who "gives his seed" to Molech. If you refuse, God will cut you and your family off. Leviticus 20:2-5

If a man or woman "lie with a beast" both the person and the poor animal are to be killed. Levitivus 20:15-16

People with "familiar spirits" are to be stoned. Leviticus 20:27

There's a whole lot more than that brief selection. Some things are worth killing for and some aren't.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

The truth is you cannot quote the N.T. and prove that text is just like the O.T. or the Koran. So this drives folks to the O.T. which is the Holy Book of the Jews, but read by Christians, but not observed by Christians. It is more of a history of the Jews than anything else.

That depends on what Christians you associate with. The "fire and brimstone" preachers that make up a significant portion of pentecostals and evangelicals are usually drawing their sermons from the Old Testament.

To say that Christians don't observe the principles of the OT is inaccurate, because of the variety of interpretations that exist among Christians.

Some Christians put very little emphasis on the Old Testament, while others put a lot of emphasis on it. Creationists, for example, put a lot of emphasis on Genesis.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

Now back to the original subject. That the Koran is a book that is filled with hate. Indeed it is. Just spend some time reading it to find out for yourself. It is blatant and very obvious where the radicals draw their ideas from.

Now you can deny it as the good Congressman did, but all you have to do is to simply read it to find out. And if you have just a smidge of reading comprehension, it will be very obvious to you just how the radicals can act and believe as they do. Islam is indeed the most dangerous religion on this earth today, and replaced Christianity as being the most dangerous.

I find it funny that most of this thread is off topic, and we had the usuals bring up other religious books, instead of addressing the topic. And what is funny about this is that they had to compare the O.T. to the Koran, instead of the N.T. Of course if one is aware of the N.T., he is also aware of the lack of hatred in the N.T. And I agree with one poster who said the teachings of Christ is closer to Buddhism than Judaism or Islam. What religion NEVER started a war? Buddhism. And I would submit that if the teachings of Christ had been followed to the letter, Christianity would have never started a war either. And as I have contended here, Christianity was hijacked sometime after the death of Christ, and what we have today arose from that hijacking.

Buddhism actually has been used to justify war.

War and Buddhism - Buddhist Views of War

The links between Zen Buddhism and samurai warrior culture were partly responsible for the shocking collusion of Zen and Japanese militarism in the 1930s and 1940s. For several years a virulent jingoism seized Japanese Zen, and teachings were twisted and corrupted to excuse killing. Zen institutions not only supported Japanese military aggression but raised money to manufacture war planes and weapons.

Granted, if I had to pick a religion to convert to, Buddhism probably would be my choice.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

I need no proof as I can read, even the Koran. It's the folks that will not read it that this stupidity arises from. A guy starts a thread about the Koran and it doesn't take long to change it to other religious books! I guess folks are just waiting for the chance to once again trash the Bible. Not that much of the O.T. does not need trashing, but that wasn't the topic.

I understand, I've taken the small amount of time it takes to read much of the Holy Book of death too.


That someone would attempt a comparison to Christians Holy Book in order to denigrate Christianity isn't surprising at all.


Desperation, hate and ignorance.

Originally Posted by fishjoel

Wow.....you didn't read any of the thread, did you? You're like the 3rd or 4th person to quote Judaic texts. Now how about you try and do that with Christian texts.

Can I try?

Originally Posted by Romans 1:18-1:32

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Either way, yea, the New Testament was written by a bunch of hippies in comparison to the Old and it certainly isn't comparable to the Koran, which is pretty nasty at times. But in the end, when it comes to the Koran (or the Bible) it's not necessarily what's in the texts, but how people decide to interpret them and use them in their day to day lives. WWII was a pretty terrible event with lots of death and hatred, but it's a valuable thing to learn about to understand how the world works and how the human condition can be downright evil sometimes. Certainly we all know some Muslims who are great people and wouldn't hurt a fly. It's not that they don't know or understand the Koran, it's that they use the positive messages of the Koran to better their lives and the lives of those around them, while recognizing the darker sides of the Koran for what they are.

I'm not a religious person, so I'm not really a fan of any of them personally.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

I need no proof as I can read, even the Koran. It's the folks that will not read it that this stupidity arises from. A guy starts a thread about the Koran and it doesn't take long to change it to other religious books! I guess folks are just waiting for the chance to once again trash the Bible. Not that much of the O.T. does not need trashing, but that wasn't the topic.

One post. That's all it takes on here. I would actually like to read a discussion of the Koran, not some measly comparative analysis which (they think) leaves the Koran unscathed. I think we have some jihadists on here as adamant as they are about the Koran being such a peaceful tract.

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

Nonsense, there's a whole lot of killing people for their beliefs and behaviors in the bible, here's just a few:

A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed. Exodus21:15,17

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Exodus21:24-25

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Exodus22:18

"Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death." Exodus 22:19

He who sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed." Exodus 22:20

Kill anyone who "gives his seed" to Molech. If you refuse, God will cut you and your family off. Leviticus 20:2-5

If a man or woman "lie with a beast" both the person and the poor animal are to be killed. Levitivus 20:15-16

People with "familiar spirits" are to be stoned. Leviticus 20:27

There's a whole lot more than that brief selection. Some things are worth killing for and some aren't.

We've all seen this attempt. Pick some bits and peices out and conclude what you WANT. One can do that with ANY text.


Try some simple ways of understanding Christian scripture:


Let the Bible interpret and prove the Bible. Don’t look for what you want to prove look for what the Bible actually says.


Understand the context—the verses before and after, and the chapters before and after. Does your understanding of a particular verse harmonize with the rest of the Bible?


Understand the historical time frame in which the book was written.


Do not allow personal assumptions or preconceived ideas to influence your understanding and conclusions.


Do not form conclusions based on partial facts, insufficient information, or the opinions and speculations of others.


Opinions—regardless of how strongly you feel about them—don’t necessarily count. Scripture alone must be your standard and guide.


This also applies to the koran. Maybe the murderers of that family

Photos of Fogel Family Murder - Defense/Middle East - Israel News - Israel National News


should let the Koran interpret and prove the koran. Don’t look for what they want to prove look for what the koran actually says. Or maybe they did.

Originally Posted by Speakeasy

Can I try?



Either way, yea, the New Testament was written by a bunch of hippies in comparison to the Old and it certainly isn't comparable to the Koran, which is pretty nasty at times. But in the end, when it comes to the Koran (or the Bible) it's not necessarily what's in the texts, but how people decide to interpret them and use them in their day to day lives. WWII was a pretty terrible event with lots of death and hatred, but it's a valuable thing to learn about to understand how the world works and how the human condition can be downright evil sometimes. Certainly we all know some Muslims who are great people and wouldn't hurt a fly. It's not that they don't know or understand the Koran, it's that they use the positive messages of the Koran to better their lives and the lives of those around them, while recognizing the darker sides of the Koran for what they are.

Why do you not wish to discuss the Koran, which is the topic of this thread?

Originally Posted by Sunshine

Why do you not wish to discuss the Koran, which is the topic of this thread?

What the fuck, can you not read?

Originally Posted by Speakeasy

What the fuck, can you not read?

Yes I can read, and you posted nothing about the Koran.

Originally Posted by Speakeasy

What the fuck, can you not read?

Be nice, maybe she needs to adjust her contacts or glasses

Originally Posted by fishjoel

Wow.....you didn't read any of the thread, did you? You're like the 3rd or 4th person to quote Judaic texts. Now how about you try and do that with Christian texts.

There was a generalization that there was no violence in the bible. Last I checked, the bible is split into two books, the old testament and the new testament. Judaism is the old and Christianity is the New bit are still related. In fact, Judaism and Christianity are the same religion, one just does not recognize Jesus so they had to write a new book to fit him in.

Here's some new testament violence for you:

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)

LOL. Sounds a lot like Jihad to me.

Photos from Jonestown mass suicide:



Waco: