Thread: The Rich Are a Bunch of Worthless Slobs.

I agree with you.

Perhaps the waning of the Religious Right will undermine their power.

Originally Posted by John Drake

John Drake: OK. I can troll as good as anybody. No "cut and paste" just my "observations" which are from more years than Chassisman.

The Rich are a bunch of lazy, lucky slobs who deserve nothing more than a good kick in the groin.

1. This doesn't apply to some of them. Gates, Buffet, Turner hell, even Trump and many others are people I admire, but the vast majority and particularly the "middle rich" the ones who complain about high taxes when they haven't been raised since Reagan, are the purest sort of assholes who walk.

2. They think their one year stint as foreman in daddsy's factory constitutes "working their way up from the bottom"

3. They're totally incompetent and worthless, not only lazy but stupid to boot. We just had a prime example in the White House and the country may never recover from the experience.

4. The only thing they really know how to do is lay around the pool with a drinky-drink and bitch about how the poor never work hard enough and their taxes are too high, while some shchlep cuts their lawn for $6.50 an hour and their accountant figures out how they'll pay nothing again this year.

5. They're the type that Ayn Rand despised. She said that in the old days there was a phrase "..from shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in 3 generations". This meant that Daddy earned it and junior lost it if he was a ne'er do well idiot...This doesn't happen nowadays, because Junior goes into politics and passes laws which allow him to keep his money forever by forbidding anyone else to make any

6. And that's really the worst part, they all see themslves as some sort of superior class of person, who create money by magic, without any effort on their part and certainly without any use for these nasty customers which actually buy things. They can become a new nobility, taxing the peasants...uh...workers, to support a hugh military so they can loot the world. Problem is that the soldiers, all recruited from the lower classes except for the officers, eventually become fed up with this arrangement. Then everybody takes it in the butt. Well, a couple hundred years of military dictatoship won't be fun but at least we'll get the satisfaction of seeing these bozos drowned in their own pools.

Discuss

So to summarize, basically you are against freedom and property rights because you are envious of those that have more than you do.

Originally Posted by smurf

So to summarize, basically you are against freedom and property rights because you are envious of those that have more than you do.

I can't speak for John, but society absolutely already does forbid the accumulation of wealth by certain means: child pornography, contractual homicide, narcotics trafficking, etc. I just think that getting rich by exploiting adults should be just as illegal as getting rich by exploiting children, and that getting rich by harming people should be just as illegal as getting rich by killing people.

P.S. Isn't speculation about another poster's emotions not only irrelevant, but also an attempt to undermine that person's argument by smearing him or her (also known as an ad hominem argument)?

Originally Posted by unclassifiable

I can't speak for John, but society absolutely already does forbid the accumulation of wealth by certain means: child pornography, contractual homicide, narcotics trafficking, etc. I just think that getting rich by exploiting adults should be just as illegal as getting rich by exploiting children, and that getting rich by harming people should be just as illegal as getting rich by killing people.

P.S. Isn't speculation about another poster's emotions not only irrelevant, but also an attempt to undermine that person's argument by smearing him or her (also known as an ad hominem argument)?

Explain to me again how providing someone money in exchange for their labor is "exploiting" him? Are you implying that all rich people in the U.S. are kidnapping people and forcing them to work at their companies?

Also, how about all of the businesses that fail - should we make all of the employees give back a portion of their pay to the owners, as those employees obviously "exploited" those poor owners by charging them too much for their labor?

Lastly, pointing out the fact that John's rant is not an argument is hardly an ad hominem.

This thread is about 5 different kinds of epic.

Originally Posted by John Drake

John Drake: OK. I can troll as good as anybody. No "cut and paste" just my "observations" which are from more years than Chassisman.

The Rich are a bunch of lazy, lucky slobs who deserve nothing more than a good kick in the groin.

1. This doesn't apply to some of them. Gates, Buffet, Turner hell, even Trump and many others are people I admire, but the vast majority and particularly the "middle rich" the ones who complain about high taxes when they haven't been raised since Reagan, are the purest sort of assholes who walk.

2. They think their one year stint as foreman in daddsy's factory constitutes "working their way up from the bottom"

3. They're totally incompetent and worthless, not only lazy but stupid to boot. We just had a prime example in the White House and the country may never recover from the experience.

4. The only thing they really know how to do is lay around the pool with a drinky-drink and bitch about how the poor never work hard enough and their taxes are too high, while some shchlep cuts their lawn for $6.50 an hour and their accountant figures out how they'll pay nothing again this year.

5. They're the type that Ayn Rand despised. She said that in the old days there was a phrase "..from shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in 3 generations". This meant that Daddy earned it and junior lost it if he was a ne'er do well idiot...This doesn't happen nowadays, because Junior goes into politics and passes laws which allow him to keep his money forever by forbidding anyone else to make any

6. And that's really the worst part, they all see themslves as some sort of superior class of person, who create money by magic, without any effort on their part and certainly without any use for these nasty customers which actually buy things. They can become a new nobility, taxing the peasants...uh...workers, to support a hugh military so they can loot the world. Problem is that the soldiers, all recruited from the lower classes except for the officers, eventually become fed up with this arrangement. Then everybody takes it in the butt. Well, a couple hundred years of military dictatoship won't be fun but at least we'll get the satisfaction of seeing these bozos drowned in their own pools.

Discuss

I think this is a generalization being painted with a very broad brush. The middle rich are no the problem. Most of them are people who have worked up through their own hard work and regardless of affiliation, they are more centrist and generally more giving albeit a little snobbish (they aren't going to support their kids getting involved with those further down the financial ladder and such).

The problem is the super wealthy elite that has tendrils running deep into our government. A good example of a pure scumbag that should be tried and put to death for treason is Dick Cheney. These are people who brazenly manipulate the system for their own ends. Like sending troops to war based on fabricated evidence to boost their stock portfolios. These are the ones that call us peasants and want nothing more than to make complacent slave laborers out of hard working Americans.

Yes they look down upon the rest of society. They feel that they are ENTITLED to more say in government policy and that that policy should always be bent towards protecting their interests over the interests of the vast majority of Americans. That we are sheep and they are the herders.....fuck that. I would take up arms and revolt well before I let that happen.

Well John... they don't like you much either.

You know when people argue about tax rates, they forget that we had tax rates that worked for 50 years.
These tax rates provided enough money for the government to provide programs that mitigated the negative effects of a market economy, and the vast majority of Americans saw improvement in their financial circumstances nearly every year.
Then Reagan lowered tax rates, shifted the burden of taxes off the wealthy and onto the middle class, and since then the wealthy have accumulated wealth at an increasing speed, and most Americans have seen no improvement, and even widespread decline in their financial situation.

So, from the evidence of history, the top tax rate should be around 70%.
But that's going from stuff that really happened, and we have nation that likes to fantasize about how lower tax rates eliminate deficits, and ice cream gives you six pack abs...

Originally Posted by goober

You know when people argue about tax rates, they forget that we had tax rates that worked for 50 years.
These tax rates provided enough money for the government to provide programs that mitigated the negative effects of a market economy, and the vast majority of Americans saw improvement in their financial circumstances nearly every year.
Then Reagan lowered tax rates...

Really? I call absolute shenanigans on your utterly ridiculous claims of 50 years of things working fine "until Reagan". The indicator is millions of people wide...the war on poverty which is sitting smack dab in the middle of your absolutely ridiculous 50 year period. Who was LBJ helping if things were working so well?

Originally Posted by John Drake

John Drake: OK. I can troll as good as anybody. No "cut and paste" just my "observations"...

You can certainly Troll.

The title of this thread clearly says (to me) "I'm not smart or driven enough to create appreciable wealth for myself so I hate all that have". Truly pathetic!

Originally Posted by chassisman

The title of this thread clearly says (to me) "I'm not smart or driven enough to create appreciable wealth for myself so I hate all that have". Truly pathetic!

ahoy Chassisman,

in terms 'o real wealth...the kind that buys ye yer own senator, we're all paupers here, me bucko.

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy Chassisman,

in terms 'o real wealth...the kind that buys ye yer own senator, we're all paupers here, me bucko.

- MeadHallPirate

Sure, but does it trouble you enough to start a hate thread?