Thread: Nobel peace price 2011

Maybe this is just me, but when did the Peace Prize turn into being about women's rights?

By the way, that's a purely rhetorical question in that I realize the "Peace Prize" has nothing to do with anything other than being a liberal prize.

Originally Posted by C-B-M

Maybe this is just me, but when did the Peace Prize turn into being about women's rights?

By the way, that's a purely rhetorical question in that I realize the "Peace Prize" has nothing to do with anything other than being a liberal prize.

The Nobel peace price is a price supposed to be awarded to remarkable persons that in their environment advance the cause of peace and human rights. Since human rights cannot be separated from womens rights and no democracy will be achieved without at least superficial equality between the genders the award for those brave three women is fully justified.
That has nothing to do with beeing left or right, liberal or conservative and neither does the Nobel comitee fit in any political direction.

Oh, come on. The Nobel committee doesn't fit in any political direction? Seriously, we're going to play this game?

Originally Posted by Voland

The Nobel peace price is a price supposed to be awarded to remarkable persons that in their environment advance the cause of peace and human rights. Since human rights cannot be separated from womens rights and no democracy will be achieved without at least superficial equality between the genders the award for those brave three women is fully justified.

Most certainly. I always am baffled by folks down on women's rights, have they never had a mother, daughter or female friend?

That has nothing to do with beeing left or right, liberal or conservative and neither does the Nobel comitee fit in any political direction.

There is a decided lean to the left. Just being seen as leaning far enough got Obama a Nobel Prize before he'd actually done anything as president to earn one.

Uh, just so the two of you guys know, from the Nobel Peace Prize website, the quote from Alfred Nobel:

"The said interest shall be divided into five equal parts, which shall be apportioned as follows: /- - -/ one part to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."

I was looking for women's rights there, but I didn't see it. But then again, I was reading it as it was written, which might be a problem.

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

Most certainly. I always am baffled by folks down on women's rights, have they never had a mother, daughter or female friend?



There is a decided lean to the left. Just being seen as leaning far enough got Obama a Nobel Prize before he'd actually done anything as president to earn one.

I´d agree that the award for Obama was one of the most dubious and undeserved ones in the history of the award. I don´t think however that it alone is enough to speak of a clear political orientation in general. And the comitee seems to have returned to honour people that ARE actually involved in the struggle for human rights, like chinese dissidents last years ( and showed firm resolve along with the norwegian governement in the face of heavy chinese pressure to withdraw the honour) and now those three that are supposed to stand for the role of women in the Arab Spring as well as in the quest to build up Africa. And I´d say to respect and honour that doesn´t require a certain leaning.

...except it's not a human rights award.

Originally Posted by Voland

I´d agree that the award for Obama was one of the most dubious and undeserved ones in the history of the award. I don´t think however that it alone is enough to speak of a clear political orientation in general. And the comitee seems to have returned to honour people that ARE actually involved in the struggle for human rights, like chinese dissidents last years ( and showed firm resolve along with the norwegian governement in the face of heavy chinese pressure to withdraw the honour) and now those three that are supposed to stand for the role of women in the Arab Spring as well as in the quest to build up Africa. And I´d say to respect and honour that doesn´t require a certain leaning.

I can't entirely agree but the old left-right definitions look like they are being torn down by the realities of the ever growing economic/industrial oligarchy (interestingly enough the true villains of many 20th century socialist authors) but the man on the street, farm field and desert track hasn't caught up to that just yet.

The Nobel should go to President Mohamed Hosni Mubarak.

Wiothout his action of stepping down there would have been bloodshed beyond immagination which would have spread to other countries and could have ignited a regional war, drawing in isreal and possibly the United States. he did more to foster Peace then anyone in 2011.

Sick I know, but so true...

Originally Posted by CSA

The Nobel should go to President Mohamed Hosni Mubarak.

Without his action of stepping down there would have been bloodshed beyond imagination which would have spread to other countries and could have ignited a regional war, drawing in Israel and possibly the United States. He did more to foster peace then anyone in 2011.

While he certainly could have initiated a bloodbath, it remains to be seen just how much bloodshed he actually prevented.

Don't count your poultry before its fully incubated.

Originally Posted by Commodore

While he certainly could have initiated a bloodbath, it remains to be seen just how much bloodshed he actually prevented.

Don't count your poultry before its fully incubated.

Mubarak left when he was shown the door by the military, that has essentially run things in Egypt since the 1950´s. That and his rule before that ( including the about 800 people shot and beaten to death during the demonstrations against him by his police) should make clear enough why it is rather absurd to mention him in the same sentence as the Nobel peace price.