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    More bias from Fox News, aye?

    ahoy all,

    folks often be declarin' that the value in FoxNews be that report stories and present perspectives that often be overlooked or ignored by thar lesser peers in the MSM.

    the swabbys who think otherwise believe that Fox be a news outfit with its own agenda and will slant and bias thar coverage to suit thar own objectives, somethin' that Fox defenders declare be untrue.

    if, however, Fox be "fair and balanced", how does one explain this rabid pilin' on when it comes to belittling the PEOPLE'S CHOICE, Newt Gingrich?

    thar hosts...thar contributors...thar analysts, all seem to be pullin' thar oars together to push the portly Mr. Gingrich o'erboard and into the drink.

    Britt Hume feels Mr. Gingrich will cause the GOP to not only fail to take the skipper's chair, but also result in the GOP gettin' devastated in congress.

    During Saturday night coverage of the South Carolina Republican presidential primary, Fox News senior political analyst Brit Hume said that incumbent Republicans are probably hoping that former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich doesn’t keep up the momentum he will gain from his win.

    “Believe me, Republicans in Congress will be terrified to run with this man for fear they will lose the House and Senate,” Hume said. “They will begin to do what they can to try to defeat him because they fear he can’t win the election and, moreover, he may drag many of them down to defeat with him. He has a lot of work to do to change their minds. I’m not sure he can.”
    Read more: Newt Gingrich | South Carolina | Republican Primary | The Daily Caller

    how does Fox contributor George Will feel? Mr. Will thinks Newt has a big head.

    [Gingrich] embodies the vanity and rapacity that make modern Washington repulsive. And there is his anti-conservative confidence that he has a comprehensive explanation of, and plan to perfect, everything....

    Gingrich, who would have made a marvelous Marxist, believes everything is related to everything else and only he understands how. Conservatism, in contrast, is both cause and effect of modesty about understanding society’s complexities, controlling its trajectory and improving upon its spontaneous order. Conservatism inoculates against the hubristic volatility that Gingrich exemplifies and Genesis deplores: “Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel.”
    George Will: Newt Gingrich

    and Charles Krauthammer? he calls the former speaker the worst thing ye can call a President...unstable.

    Getting down to business, Krauthammer then noted that there was, indeed, a fear that Gingrich was “too erratic or mercurial… a victim of his own creative intelligence.” “These people wonder,” he continued, “if he’ll wake up one morning the way he did in the past with a mandate or global warming… and surprise people by being unconservative.”
    Charles Krauthammer To Bill O’Reilly: Newt Gingrich Is ‘A Victim Of His Own Creative Intelligence’ | Mediaite

    mateys, is FoxNews bein' fair and balanced on Mr. Gingrich, or be it a biased news source?

    aye?

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    Re: More bias from Fox News, aye?

    There's some history between Hume and Newt i think - Newt had pretty much been involved in Hume's (now dead) son, possibly being involved in a race when Newt was Speaker/running his revolution, and Hume junior ran a story to go after ethics admonishments etc. Its gotten a lot nastier as of late with Newt (seemingly, inadvertently) outing Hume's dead son as being gay and there's some bad blood involved, to say the least. As for Charles Krauthammer, he did offer a mea culpa on some bad predictions but the nastyness is incredulous.

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    Re: More bias from Fox News, aye?

    Quote Originally Posted by Traveler View Post
    There's some history between Hume and Newt i think - Newt had pretty much been involved in Hume's (now dead) son, possibly being involved in a race when Newt was Speaker/running his revolution, and Hume junior ran a story to go after ethics admonishments etc. Its gotten a lot nastier as of late with Newt (seemingly, inadvertently) outing Hume's dead son as being gay and there's some bad blood involved, to say the least. As for Charles Krauthammer, he did offer a mea culpa on some bad predictions but the nastyness is incredulous.
    ahoy Traveler,

    is FoxNews biased or not, matey? at the very least, are they selectively biased or do ye consider thar coverage on Newt Gingrich fair and balanced?

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    Re: More bias from Fox News, aye?

    Meh...Beck is also on the anybody but Newt bandwagon too as is Michael Savage, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham and others. There is no doubt that Newt has his detractors in the GOP but the last thing we need right now is another "pretty boy".

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    Re: More bias from Fox News, aye?

    Quote Originally Posted by lutherf View Post
    Meh...Beck is also on the anybody but Newt bandwagon too as is Michael Savage, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham and others. There is no doubt that Newt has his detractors in the GOP but the last thing we need right now is another "pretty boy".
    ahoy Lutherf,

    is FoxNews biased or not, matey? at the very least, are they selectively biased or do ye consider thar coverage on Newt Gingrich fair and balanced?

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    Re: More bias from Fox News, aye?

    Their commentary is biased but it's supposed to be. That's the whole idea behind opinion "journalism". Now they haven't devolved into Ed Schultz territory yet but we'll see what time brings!

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    Re: More bias from Fox News, aye?

    Nah i mean i don't think its neccessarily been fair on him, i guess Fox do slant a bit here and there - the commentators tend to lead to the right (Hannity, Ingraham, Crowley etc) when they hit prime time, and their other anchors like Shep and Greta, of an evening tend to lean either Libertarian or pro prosecutorial. (The folks who fill in for GVS are tend to edge that way, Kim Guilfoile, Martha, and its only when you get to Shannon Breame and Jamie Colby that the lawyers balance out a bit). The 5PM slot used to be John Gibson, a conservative's slot, then Beck and now a 3-1&1 (conservative vs liberal/libertarian) slant at that slot as well.

    Problem with Newt himself is that a lot of folls who don't like him/served under him work at Fox, so that doesn't help. Its a pretty big conflict of interests but of course Fox won't say as much...which is kind of shoddy journalism. Heck Brit Hume is a conservative, and always has been and he anchored the main news show of the evening from DC for over a decade for them - and he is in a spat, with another conservative!

    Of course, my biggest beef with Fox is that they are way too close to the center and give a couple of liberals i can't stand, a megaphone on Fox...what i would like, is rather than having a bash fest of left and right, to have an actual conservative advocate on Fox instead of who they have.

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    Re: More bias from Fox News, aye?

    ahoy mateys,

    FoxNews heavyweight, Laura Ingraham on Mr. Gingrich;

    He looks like the “Love Child of a Cabbage Patch Doll and Chucky”
    bias or "fair and balanced" from the FoxNews?

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    Re: More bias from Fox News, aye?

    Quote Originally Posted by lutherf View Post
    Their commentary is biased but it's supposed to be. That's the whole idea behind opinion "journalism". Now they haven't devolved into Ed Schultz territory yet but we'll see what time brings!
    If i had seen your post first, i think i would have let you summarize it instead - i'm not good at articulating it.

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    Re: More bias from Fox News, aye?

    I don't know what's confusing you, MHP. Fox News is saying that Newt is not a conservative, and they are correct.

    PS. Of course Fox is bias. Everyone is.
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    Re: More bias from Fox News, aye?

    Quote Originally Posted by Traveler View Post
    Nah i mean i don't think its neccessarily been fair on him...
    ahoy Traveler,

    so then, unfair and unbalanced.

    biased coverage, aye?

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    Re: More bias from Fox News, aye?

    Quote Originally Posted by fishjoel View Post
    I don't know what's confusing you, MHP. Fox News is saying that Newt is not a conservative, and they are correct.
    ahoy Fishjoel,

    thats not what the talkin' heads at Fox are sayin', Fishjoel. that is what yer sayin', but yer not a programmer, host, or contributor on FoxNews.

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    Re: More bias from Fox News, aye?

    ahoy mateys,

    Chris Wallace is supposed to be one 'o the "impartial and completely objective" news fellas at Fox, aye? he's not one 'o thar op-ed folks, aye?

    While his fellow GOP presidential candidates were busy zinging each other, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich livened up Thursday night’s Fox Presidential Debate by throwing some haymakers at moderator Chris Wallace. Wallace dared to ask Gingrich about his faltering campaign, and Gingrich responded by asking Wallace to “put aside the ‘Gotcha!’ questions,” and accused Wallace of “playing Mickey Mouse games!”

    Wallace was having none of it, though, firing back at Newt “If you think questions about your record are Mickey Mouse, I’m sorry, I think those are questions a lot of people want to hear answers to, and you’re responsible for your record.”
    Newt Gingrich | Chris Wallace | Gotcha question | Mediaite

    Newt supporters ravaged CNN host John King fer his question to Newt a few days ago, and i found Mr. King relatively mild...even deferential in his followup to Mr. Gingrich. Mr. Wallace 'o FoxNews, by comparison, had no compunction though in layin' right into Newt.

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    Re: More bias from Fox News, aye?

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    ahoy Traveler,

    so then, unfair and unbalanced.

    biased coverage, aye?

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    In the case of Newt, yes...and its even worse, its unethical journalism where that a hurrendous amounts of conflict of interest. Some of the Democratic/liberal leaning contributors on the network (Kirsten Powers, Lanny Davis, Bernhard Whitman, and on and on, as gthere are more than a couple dozen), all worked under Bill Clinton. They are bashing a guy who impeached their boss, and they should disclose that fact in the interest of full disclosure before they comment on him. Folks to the other side like Dick Morris were Clinton's pollster as well, Karl Rove and him have a history going back to the Presidency of Bush 41, and Fox doesn't let the viewers know this. Its very bad form, imo. Its kind of the equivelant of the Hillary supporter in the last cycle who asked a question in a debate about the fact he wants to know about don't ask don't tell. He didn't state that he was a Hillary backer, he didn't state that he was gay, serving in the armed services etc. He took a lot of heat from Republicans, as did CNN. Same way when Stephenopolous asked Newt about marital infidelity, he was in a conflict of interest situation where his boss was impeached by Newt, for the affair that Clinton had. Its why our media is as bad as it is today.

    And in summary yes, the coverage ofNewt has been anything but fair or balanced. (That's not a critique of their entire network, but on this issue i do agree with you).

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    Re: More bias from Fox News, aye?

    Quote Originally Posted by Traveler View Post
    In the case of Newt, yes...and its even worse, its unethical journalism where that a hurrendous amounts of conflict of interest. Some of the Democratic/liberal leaning contributors on the network (Kirsten Powers, Lanny Davis, Bernhard Whitman, and on and on, as gthere are more than a couple dozen), all worked under Bill Clinton. They are bashing a guy who impeached their boss, and they should disclose that fact in the interest of full disclosure before they comment on him. Folks to the other side like Dick Morris were Clinton's pollster as well, Karl Rove and him have a history going back to the Presidency of Bush 41, and Fox doesn't let the viewers know this. Its very bad form, imo. Its kind of the equivelant of the Hillary supporter in the last cycle who asked a question in a debate about the fact he wants to know about don't ask don't tell. He didn't state that he was a Hillary backer, he didn't state that he was gay, serving in the armed services etc. He took a lot of heat from Republicans, as did CNN. Same way when Stephenopolous asked Newt about marital infidelity, he was in a conflict of interest situation where his boss was impeached by Newt, for the affair that Clinton had. Its why our media is as bad as it is today.

    And in summary yes, the coverage ofNewt has been anything but fair or balanced. (That's not a critique of their entire network, but on this issue i do agree with you).
    ahoy Traveler,

    well said matey, thank ye fer the full response.

    certainly, i do think a reasonable case can be made that FoxNews can be biased on a selective basis.

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