Thread: Teacher Screams at Student for Disrespecting Obama!

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy Disillusoined_1,

i actually kinda disagree here, me friend. i think 'tis fine fer a schoolteacher, in a learnin' atmosphere with children, to not allow discussion to devolve into the slanderin' 'o a president. criticism be one thing, but slander isn't somethin' that i'd want to encourage, as a teacher.

i mean, if imma doin' some kinda civics lesson, i don't want some smart arse kid in me classroom sayin', "President Bush shouldn't be the Commander 'n Chief since he was a draft dodger along with his chickenhawk VP".

- MeadHallPirate

Well, if the topic of the day is presidential backgrounds, then it would certainly be appropriate to consider what is known about bush's entry into the national guard (and exit from), as well as Cheney's deferments. Likewise, Obama's background could also be discussed. They could also consider McCain's background and Romney's. Slander - as it pertains to false information - shouldn't be allowed, however a discussion of information that can be factually shown wouldn't seem to hurt the education of high school students. In fact, teaching students to actually be critical of the background of presidents (for whom they may be voting for or against) would seem to be a valuable lesson. A big part of the lesson would involve how to determine false background information from well-documented background information.

Originally Posted by Sluggo

Obviously throwing more money at politically purchased unions is not going to improve this. In all likelihood make this far worse.

What makes you think the teacher is in a union?
North Carolina is a Right to Work state, teachers are not required to join the union.

Originally Posted by Disillusioned_1

Well, if the topic of the day is presidential backgrounds, then it would certainly be appropriate to consider what is known about bush's entry into the national guard (and exit from), as well as Cheney's deferments. Likewise, Obama's background could also be discussed. They could also consider McCain's background and Romney's. Slander - as it pertains to false information - shouldn't be allowed, however a discussion of information that can be factually shown wouldn't seem to hurt the education of high school students. In fact, teaching students to actually be critical of the background of presidents (for whom they may be voting for or against) would seem to be a valuable lesson. A big part of the lesson would involve how to determine false background information from well-documented background information.

ahoy Disillusioned_1,

i can see what yer gettin' at matey.

i guess i'd have to know a bit more 'bout the context 'o what happened in this NC school to say whether or not what the laddy was sayin' was appropriate.

*ponders*

all imma sayin' is that thar be trolls in high school and i think if i was a teacher i'd want some latitude as to how i deal with'm.

ie - if imma teachin' how the american electoral system works and i have 10 minutes 'o class time to cover the topic, i don't want a student raisin' thar hand to try to subvert me discussion by talkin' about how the GOP stole the Bush/Gore election just because they watched some HBO docu-drama.

i'd tell that kid to shut his pie hole, fer i be the skipper 'o the classroom, YARRRRR!!!!!!

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy Disillusioned_1,

i can see what yer gettin' at matey.

i guess i'd have to know a bit more 'bout the context 'o what happened in this NC school to say whether or not what the laddy was sayin' was appropriate.

*ponders*

all imma sayin' is that thar be trolls in high school and i think if i was a teacher i'd want some latitude as to how i deal with'm.

ie - if imma teachin' how the american electoral system works and i have 10 minutes 'o class time to cover the topic, i don't want a student raisin' thar hand to try to subvert me discussion by talkin' about how the GOP stole the Bush/Gore election just because they watched some HBO docu-drama.

i'd tell that kid to shut his pie hole, fer i be the skipper 'o the classroom, YARRRRR!!!!!!

- MeadHallPirate

True, you have to stay on topic in order to cover the material in the allotted time. That has to do more with comments being on-topic than "not allowed" because of their content. I do agree that there are plenty of classroom trolls in a setting like that as well, and they have to be dealt with.

I have to teach a highly technical subject, and 2 or 3 times per semester I realize after lecture that I made an error and told the students something that wasn't true. I'd hate to be recorded at every instant and have my SNAFU's publicly available for ridicule. Although at least in my case 99.8% of the people on the internet wouldn't understand the error I made, and the 0.2% who would understand it would likely understand it was just a classroom blunder.

In my 12 years of public school education, politics NEVER,EVER was talked about in any class. Not current politics. And the civil rights struggle was going on which was being resisted by several southern democrats in public office. With the social and political things going on at that tiime, you would think the teachers would be talking to the students about JFK and LBJ and the segregation that was to happen, charcter assasinations and all of the rest. Yet it was never discussed. Of course everyone with a television, radio or local newspaper subscription knew the details very well.

The on time I ever heard a national politician spoke of in school was when JFK was assasinated. I remember this like it was only yesterday. Over the school intercom, in our classroom, we were told that the president of the united states was dead. Our teacher started crying and told us, "class, no matter what your parents or you may think of the man..sob, sob...but he was still OUR PRESIDENT." She then completely broke down and sobbed like a baby. School turned out and went home.

Truth is, in my area, in my era, politics was not something ever mentioned in school. I think it should be off limits today, and instead just teach an in depth course in civics. So when did so many kids get interested in something like politics? That too is a change. That just doesn't seem normal. But perhaps they are more interested today because it has been turned into a circus, a pro wresting match, a conduit for tawdry personal life details attracting young voyeurs, an unhealthy entertainment, encouraging division, tribalistic natures, and even at times pure hate. Yet perhaps our schools now are reflecting society, as these kids are society. And we are a nation clearly divided.

Originally Posted by Disillusioned_1

True, you have to stay on topic in order to cover the material in the allotted time. That has to do more with comments being on-topic than "not allowed" because of their content. I do agree that there are plenty of classroom trolls in a setting like that as well, and they have to be dealt with.

I have to teach a highly technical subject, and 2 or 3 times per semester I realize after lecture that I made an error and told the students something that wasn't true. I'd hate to be recorded at every instant and have my SNAFU's publicly available for ridicule. Although at least in my case 99.8% of the people on the internet wouldn't understand the error I made, and the 0.2% who would understand it would likely understand it was just a classroom blunder.

One of the horrors of the Youtube Age is that someone might record you at your worst moment and it'll live on the internet forever.

Originally Posted by goober

What makes you think the teacher is in a union?
North Carolina is a Right to Work state, teachers are not required to join the union.

Just a general comment on unions, just as yours was a general comment on teachers.

This would be horrific if it wasnt for the fact that this is something we keep seeing....Teachers worshiping Obama and aggressively attacking any who disagree with Obama.

A typical example of liberal indoctrination in the public school classroom. If I was still raising kids there is no way I'd send them to public schools. If I couldn't afford private schools I'd home school them.

Originally Posted by Disillusioned_1

Isn't there a big assumption here that this is a public school teacher?

For all the information that seems to be given about the video this could quite well be a charter school or even a private school.

Actually, it took me only a few seconds to find out that yes, this is indeed a teacher at a conventional High School.

NC teacher reportedly suspended after telling student not to criticize Obama | Fox News

Research, it's amazing what it can tell you.

Originally Posted by Disillusioned_1

Isn't there a big assumption here that this is a public school teacher?

For all the information that seems to be given about the video this could quite well be a charter school or even a private school.
...

Don't be so painfully naive.

This is a lie:
"As a social studies teacher I cannot allow you to slander any president in here, past or present."

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

In my 12 years of public school education, politics NEVER,EVER was talked about in any class. Not current politics. And the civil rights struggle was going on which was being resisted by several southern democrats in public office. With the social and political things going on at that tiime, you would think the teachers would be talking to the students about JFK and LBJ and the segregation that was to happen, charcter assasinations and all of the rest. Yet it was never discussed. Of course everyone with a television, radio or local newspaper subscription knew the details very well.

I remember that era, and was one of the last of that generation.

I think a lot of the problems began when the children of the 1960's became adults and teachers in the 1970's. A lot of them were activists a decade prior, and then took up the same thing in teaching their students. I remember having similar incidents with one teacher in High School, and getting some support from the principal afterwards (I was given permission to walk out of that class and report to the office any time I thought the teacher was going "over the top"). And in the decades since, it has gotten even worse.

Today school is as much about political correctness and indoctrination as it is about education. We actually have teachers bringing their students to Occupy protests, and telling them that is what needs to be done to take the government back. Back in 2006 a large number of schools released their students so they could participate in the "Day Without An Illegal" marches. I was doing volunteer work at a High School last year, and all students were required to do a certain number of hours as a community volunteer in order to graduate. I looked through a booklet that listed places to volunteer. NOW, NAACP, Planed Parenthood, one after another after another of some left wing or left leaning institution. No USO, no Candy Stripers (excuse me, volunteer nurses), it was all a farce.

School is nowadays more about indoctrination then education. I am glad I graduated when I did, I would surely be expelled in the current education system.