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Old 10-15-2006
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Re: Move on - Call for a change

Thanks for your support Lazarus.

Matt, I've answered your question again and again. Do you think that asking it over and over will change my answer?
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Old 10-16-2006
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Re: Move on - Call for a change

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Thanks for your support Lazarus.

Matt, I've answered your question again and again. Do you think that asking it over and over will change my answer?
I was hopeful that you might see that the people you are calling have a right to their own representation choice, rather than one beholden to your billionaire patron.

But I see that you don't feel that those people deserve representation, because they are not smart enough to select representatives that will vote in the manner you approve of.

So never mind.

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Old 10-16-2006
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Re: Move on - Call for a change

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Those of you who don't agree with Sams' method of volunteering seem to not be understanding one very important point. Well, two points.
One, which doesn't afflict many on this site is that most of the electorate don't look past local issues while voting. Sam ( if I am reading her correctly ) is not telling these folks how to vote in local races. That I hope most people are capable of figuring out for themselves.
This is plainly incorrect. See her script. When someone she calls says they are going to vote for one of the candidates MoveOn thinks should represent them, she is directed to put in a plug for a different candidate - i.e. "if you are voting for Fred, you should vote for Bob, too."


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No, what I believe Sam to be focusing on are the pros and cons of those who seek to represent their constituents in DC. Like the adage goes - Think Globally But Act Locally.
And so the people she calls are such dumb, vapid sheep that they need outside direction to vote for the "correct" canddiate?

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Most of the ignorant masses are strictly one-issue voters, usually to the detriment of society. Sometimes a thing as idiotic as name recognition is the deciding factor.
These folks who employ ignorant methods of casting their vote do need to be made aware of the folly of their ways, and maybe a call from Sam or from someone on the other side of an issue, will get these people to dust off their political brain cells and put them to use.

I just noticed that my 2 points melded into 1. Oh well.
Never mind - I see you are in fact arguing that the people Sam is calling are so dumb they must be told when, where and how to vote.

I wonder, if this is necessary, why not be honest about it?

"Hi, this is Sam, calling from MoveOn. MoveOn does not think you are smart enough to vote by yourself, so we have some really smart people from California who are going to tell you who to vote for. Be a good sheep and vote for Bob on election day - that's Tuesday, November 7.

Tuesday is the day Dancing With the Stars is on, since we know you can't use a calendar."

I mean, since that is what you are saying, why not be up front with it?

Matt
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Old 10-16-2006
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Re: Move on - Call for a change

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Yes, unfortunately, most people are as dumb as dirt when it comes to knowing candidates positions. Many focus on a single issue and vote for the one they believe has said will advance that issue. And when they go to the polls, they also check boxes for the other offices up for election. And that is the problem with our system of voting - these folks feel compelled to answer every question, but they do so blindly. Sam is merely pointing out the big picture to these uninformed masses. She is not attempting to change their minds. And that is quite the tightrope to navigate - telling someone in a polite non-insulting manner that they are ignorant. I sure as hell know that I couldn't do it. I have very little tolerance for people who deliberately remain dense. Should these types be allowed to vote? I would rather they didn't. But should we write them off permanently? No. There is potential in everyone.
Maybe a call from Sam will be that swift kick in the ass that is required.
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Old 10-16-2006
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Sam, you know I don't often agree with Matt.BUT! Don't you think those people can think for themselves?? if you do, don't you think you are interfering with the rights and determination of your opponents?? I do, that is why I wouldn't join the phone bank to call people out of my own voting area. And, IMHO you shouldn't either.
And yet you have NO problem with being able to send money directly to candidates who you are not legally eligible to vote for. Go figure.

Do you think it is inappropriate for Bill Clinton and George Bush to campaign for Congressional candidates outside of their districts? How about John McCain and Barak O'bama? If not, how is it any diffferent from you making calls on a candidate's behalf?
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Old 10-16-2006
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Re: Move on - Call for a change

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Matt and Doniston:
His is simply one single opinion which agrees with yours' It doesn't change my opinion that what you are doing is wrong. Fine to get out the vote. but to try to get them to vote your way??? Nope, a thousand times NO.
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Old 10-16-2006
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Re: Move on - Call for a change

Marcus1124;825172]And yet you have NO problem with being able to send money directly to candidates who you are not legally eligible to vote for. Go figure.
RESPONSEonce more, as usual for you, you are assuming something that is not true. I do NOT agree with your assumation of my feelings as you have stated about campaign moneys. I think I remember what I said, that might have driven you to that conclusion. but as usual you misinterpeted what I said.

Do you think it is inappropriate for Bill Clinton and George Bush to campaign for Congressional candidates outside of their districts? How about John McCain and Barak O'bama? If not, how is it any diffferent from you making calls on a candidate's behalf?
RESPONSE:Yes I do.

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Yes I do.

A TV advertisement is a far cry from a peronal call. I did receive a call from Bill Clinton---Recorded of course) and I hung up on him.
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Old 10-18-2006
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This is plainly incorrect. See her script. When someone she calls says they are going to vote for one of the candidates MoveOn thinks should represent them, she is directed to put in a plug for a different candidate - i.e. "if you are voting for Fred, you should vote for Bob, too."




And so the people she calls are such dumb, vapid sheep that they need outside direction to vote for the "correct" canddiate?



Never mind - I see you are in fact arguing that the people Sam is calling are so dumb they must be told when, where and how to vote.

I wonder, if this is necessary, why not be honest about it?

"Hi, this is Sam, calling from MoveOn. MoveOn does not think you are smart enough to vote by yourself, so we have some really smart people from California who are going to tell you who to vote for. Be a good sheep and vote for Bob on election day - that's Tuesday, November 7.

Tuesday is the day Dancing With the Stars is on, since we know you can't use a calendar."

I mean, since that is what you are saying, why not be up front with it?

Matt

I get those calls often. They are a hoot.
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Old 10-18-2006
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Re: Move on - Call for a change

For anyone interested, I am a member of that organization, and I have been asked to do what Sam is apparently doing and thinks is OK. I don't. and I declined and told the representative why.

I told them that I would be willing to contact people in my voting area and tell them my position and veiws, and also to induce them to get out and vote regardless as to whom they would vote for

To me, that is the most I have a right to do. although I think I should have the right to donate "any" amount of money and/or time to any candidate of my choosing, as long As they are in my own sphere of influence..
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Old 10-22-2006
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Re: Move on - Call for a change

You people better take a damn good look at the reality of the world you are making yourselves. You have never even seen the one you are destroying.
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Old 10-31-2006
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Re: Move on - Call for a change

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You people better take a damn good look at the reality of the world you are making yourselves. You have never even seen the one you are destroying.

I wonder who I should vote for here in Florida.

I live in a Gerrymandered congressional district. No matter who I vote for, a Democrat will represent me in the US Congress and in the state House of Representatives. That's because no Republican is running in the latter race and no Republican can win the former, due to how the district is drawn.

I do have influence through my vote for Governor (and all state-wide votes or national level votes other than House of Representatives) but I don't see who I want to vote for as governor in Florida.

We have a choice of "Chain-gang Charlie" Crist or "Do Nothing" Jim Davis. I would probably vote for Davis but I see his Lt. Governor choice was picked solely because he is black. No one apparently seems to question his means of earning money, which the St. Pete Times describes as:

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For Jones, that meant dropping out of a law firm and starting D.L. Jones & Associates, which sells insurance policies for Pre-Paid Legal Services Inc., a publicly traded company. He also started EquiVest, a company that puts together housing deals by allowing some of his legal insurance policyholders with bad credit to become lease-to-own tenants while they shape up their credit.
Now, I know about the "Pre-Paid Legal Services, Inc." This is a Multi-Level Management operation that is, in my opinion, simply a scam that earns most of its money by charging fees to its "independent contractors." Like most MLM schemes, a few high rollers skim off most of the earnings from a large number of poorly paid suckers who do most of the work.

The other scheme seems to be a real-estate scam that I have read about in various crime stories in the press. Why is no Democrat questioning this running mate for the Democratic Party candidate for governor? He seems to be of very questionable honesty to me.
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