Originally Posted by mpd8488

Wrong and right is not subjective when speaking in terms of unjustly violating other's rights. There is no way to get around the fact that you do not have a right to download music without purchasing a license that allows you to do so

Originally Posted by Slon

First, I'd like to point out that you are not really "stealing" anything in the normal sense when you download from P2P. Stealing would be taking your car away from you, and this is often the comparison used in the anti-piracy advertisements ("you wouldn't steal a car"). What you do in P2P is more or less equivalent to making an identical copy of your car for my use, and you get to keep your car.

As for youtube, I assume you mean the regular video files from the website. If so, it is stunningly easy to download. First of all, I will point out that if you can see a video being played on your computer, you CAN download/rip it. Whether you find some hidden link directly to the file or film your monitor with an external camera, it can be done. Youtube is really easy since all you need to do is enter the URL into a script that already exists. I have never ripped youtube videos before I read this thread, but I knew it could be done, and after searching for five minutes about how to do it, it was right there. So yeah, it is VERY easy.

Originally Posted by Meridious

Apparently the term "Intellectual Property" is not in your vocabulary. If it was, you'd realize how silly your analogy is.

Originally Posted by Samantha

It's intellectual property and it belongs to me. I painted the painting. It is mine.

Originally Posted by Meridious

As stated, if you believe what you are saying, then you do not believe in intellectual property rights.....

Too bad for you, I guess. /shrug.

Without the rights and the laws that have been established around the world with regard to intellectual property, no one's work (that could be duplicated without changing the original) would be protected.

Thankfully, those who oppose intellectual property rights and laws have failed to make even the slightest case for changing or abolishing them.

Perhaps you should offer your assistance to their cause.

Originally Posted by Slon

Who says I oppose intellectual property rights?

Originally Posted by Meridious

/shrug

Beats me.

I said:



Which is accurate.

Originally Posted by Slon

Quote me saying I oppose intellectual property rights.

Originally Posted by Meridious

I never said you oppose intellectual property rights.

Why should I try to quote it?

/chuckle

Originally Posted by Slon

And it will still be in your house, untouched.

They didn't take anything off of your website. It is still there.

This is like my reporting that my TV was stolen and when the police come, they find it untouched in my room.P2P exchanges things for free.

Nobody is taking it. It is still there in your house, on your hard drive or on your piece of paper.

Originally Posted by Meridious

There ya go, (using the last argument alone...but your other posts show it as well).

If you believe your arguments, then you do not believe in intellectual property rights and/or laws as they currently exist.

It would be a contradiction that even you would be silly to deny.

You seem very confused.

Originally Posted by Meridious

If you wish to purport that your arguments and your above quoted statements somehow, when combined, acknowledge a belief in intellectual property rights and laws, then go ahead.

Just don't expect anyone else to believe you ackowledge them while making one argument after another that since the rights/laws don't change the author's original work, then no harm is done/all is fine.