It seems Ross Perot has found his own sucking sound....what an idiot!!

Irony: Perot outsources to Mexico

InformationWeek reports that Perot Systems, the IT service company created by Ross Perot, is establishing a service facility in Guadalajara, Mexico. We all remember how Ross Perot campaigned for US president in 1992 and 1996 with warnings of a "giant sucking sound" as jobs fled to Mexico as a result of the North American Free Trade Agreement.

Perot Systems said the new facility will "provide a range of outsourced tech services to companies in the U.S., including desktop support, infrastructure management, and engineering services."

http://blogs.zdnet.com/service-oriented/?p=752

guess he learned if you cant beat them join them

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Hardcore Conservative !

I said Conservative not necessarly Republican or Democrat. Liberals are in both of those parties.

Yep, Perot is a smart man, he isn't going to try to swim against the current of reality. He will just take advantage of the prevailing winds and sail to prosperity.

That is a lesson everyone would be well of learning.

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Lower labor rates, high quality of workmanship, less overhead..... Sounds like a smart businessman to me.

The dems want to raise minimum wage and make OSHA regulations more stringent and expect manufacturers to be able to keep jobs here? What a joke. I'm all for tougher NIOSH, OSHA and other regulations. I like healthy people. But you can't expect a manufacturer to buy thousands of respirators, pay for the fit test, buy safety glasses and much much more to fall in line with health and safety regs and still compete with offshore manufacturing.

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Anyone ask Hillary what kind of underwear she wears, yet?

Lt. Gov Diane Denish on Bill Richardson "The governor, she said, "pinches my neck. He touches my hip, my thigh, sort of the side of my leg."

raising minimum wage is really saying buy chinese

JOKE

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Hardcore Conservative !

I said Conservative not necessarly Republican or Democrat. Liberals are in both of those parties.

That's pretty sad, actually. And we all gladly pay lower prices for our goods that were manufactured in comparatively unsafe work conditions. You're right, we can't expect manufacturers to comply with tougher safety regulations. It might hurt their profits and/or raise the price that we as consumers must pay - and we certainly can't have that. Better to send the jobs to Mexico, where respirators aren't necessary, and chemical waste can easily be dumped.

And that my friend is the crux of the problem.

Businesses are reactionary to consumer buying habits and trends.
We the consumers ,while sitting around complaining about loss jobs etc., are the ones driving the outsourcing.
For every product we buy that is made in China etc. is a "vote" sent to the manufacturers to outsource.

How many votes have you sent this year? (not Jefe personally)

Yup. You know, I'm probably going to be in the market for a new television in the near future. I would gladly buy one that was made in the U.S., and I'd even be willing to pay more for it. Problem is, I don't think any are made here any more. We all "voted" years ago to have the bulk of our electronics made overseas.

Nope - Curtis Mathis was the last TV made in the U.S...I believe they went out of business what, about 7-8 years ago at least?
Remember when TV's lasted 15-20 years or so...phehh - your lucky if one last 5 years without problems now. Look at RCA - a picture of quality and craftsmanship for generations...now the crappiest products out there. - The only change - everything is made elsewhere.

Why whine about it?
What do you expect the Mexicans to do, make tequila and serapes, and pose for the tourists?
There are job creation areas, where new jobs get created, and the old jobs move on to less economically developed areas.
In Massachusetts we've created industries and seen the jobs leave for years, automoblies, aircraft, textiles, iron and steel, arms manufacturing, electronics, computers all had there early beginnings in Massachusetts and moved on, and Biotech is blooming here now, it too will go, and follow the path , to some other state, then to Mexico or China or Sri Lanka.

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Because I'm good at whining.

Hello to all!

First post here, I hope to become a friend to some, and educate others.

If Toyota can set up a factory here and compete with Detroit, we should be able to set up a ‘green and safe’ factory in Mexico, pay a good wage, and have everybody win. They stay there, live well, and we get cheaper goods. Given the difference in prevailing wages, there is plenty of room for Perot or Ford to make a big impact in both markets, and build a green, safe factory.

But it does not seem to happen.

My guess is first, territorial and corrupt government, as government is so often the problem. No doubt the old money in those countries controls the government and uses it as a tool of anti competitive oppression. It does not make sense, and is kind of sad, but ignorance and greed can do that. Second, domestically, we have the socialistic labor unions that insist on more and more, despite the obvious long-term harm. By example, the foreign owned auto manufacturers operating in this country compete with the ‘big two’ for everything – from top management all the way down to the tuna in the cafeteria. In the market for those assets competition equalizes the playing field. Executives and labor go where they are happy, and one manufacturer cannot afford to over-pay either. Yet despite the loss of Chrysler, and the handwriting written on the wall by the likes of BMW and Toyota plants in the South, Union labor refuses to concede anything. They wont give an inch of turf on benefits, wages or legacy costs. They are, in fact, killing the goose.

There are of course, other factors at work, but none as significant.


Regards,
Chester

Welcome Chester...stick around.

Not to get off topic, but did Chrysler go somewhere? They're still around, afaik.

Oh, and welcome Chester.

Chrysler was purchased by Daimler-Benz, so now I count it as a foreign owned domestic producer.


Chester