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I did, on post 24. It's not a matter of seeing who pays more in total dollars. It's the percentage that's not fair. Why should a multi millionaire pay a lower percentage than me?

Same link I posted on #24 Who Pays Income Taxes? See Who Pays What

Why don't you tell us what the $97,653 and over pay? Why don't you tell us what the $200,000 and over pay?

Check my link to find out they pay a way lower precentage than the rest of us.
You pay more than 35%?

Why not cite the IRS page instead of some "group"?

154,800 to 336,550 pays 33% Do you pay close to that?

97,653 pays 28% plus 15K

Notice how the less you make, the lower the percentage is?

2006 Federal Tax Rate Schedules

Why this "They don't pay their fair share"? Do they use more government services than the poor?

Give me a good reason to charge them more.

Oh and you proved nothing, except that you have class envy and you only want to use taxes as punishment.
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The Reason Gas is near $3 a gallon is BECAUSE OF GAS TAXES!!!
State tax, not Federal.
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Unless you want to keep borrowing from the Chinese.

Your father was worried we'd all have to speak German remember?

I'm worried we'll all have to speak Chinese. Or maybe Saudi Arabic.
I agree, and it's coming.
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I did, on post 24. It's not a matter of seeing who pays more in total dollars. It's the percentage that's not fair. Why should a multi millionaire pay a lower percentage than me?
I'll agree, it should be a flat tax rate........The IRS cost Americans millions every year, a flat tax would help resolve that.
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I'll agree, it should be a flat tax rate........The IRS cost Americans millions every year, a flat tax would help resolve that.
To add.

I agree because some years ago I had to pay higher taxes when I broke the 50K a year salary. Since then, when my salary exceeds 50K I have to pay a freaking penalty tax......It should be the same rate across the board.
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I'll agree, it should be a flat tax rate........The IRS cost Americans millions every year, a flat tax would help resolve that.
Actually a flat tax would still have a lot of the same problems as it doesnt change exemptions and such, and you still have to report income. A sales tax on the other hand has none of that. There would be no more IRS.
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Um yeah? We have a deficit in the trillions and a war costing 100s of billions every year. We need 124 BILLION for this next war appropriations bill alone. Bush refuses to put this war in the budget and keeps asking the congress for 100s of billions more all the time.

Yes, I think the government needs the money, obviously.
Everyone accepts this deficit mentality.

We are currently not only taxing for future spending. We should be taxing to payoff the bills of the past.

If someone ran their household finances like this they would either be in jail or on the street.

The richest Americans have continually benefited from cuts for 25 years. They are do not for tax increase just a return to normalcy when they paid there fair share.

Average Americans don't have a team of accountants and off shore Caymen Island accounts to shelter their income that is why the mega rich have to be taxed at higher rate to begin with.

Payoff our debt instead of taxing us more to pay growing interest on the debt.
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Everyone accepts this deficit mentality.

We are currently not only taxing for future spending. We should be taxing to payoff the bills of the past.

If someone ran their household finances like this they would either be in jail or on the street.

The richest Americans have continually benefited from cuts for 25 years. They are do not for tax increase just a return to normalcy when they paid there fair share.

Average Americans don't have a team of accountants and off shore Caymen Island accounts to shelter their income that is why the mega rich have to be taxed at higher rate to begin with.

Payoff our debt instead of taxing us more to pay growing interest on the debt.
Average americans dont need accountants because they pay no tax. 40 million wage earners have $0 tax liability. Who is rich and what do you consider the fair share the rich should pay? Put a number on it. 50%? 75%?
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Average americans dont need accountants because they pay no tax. 40 million wage earners have $0 tax liability. Who is rich and what do you consider the fair share the rich should pay? Put a number on it. 50%? 75%?

Do ever notice that the guys who favor abandoning the IRS and coming up with a fair or flat tax are always wildly rich guys like Steven Forbes.

Always be suspicious when someone has a solution that involves changing the units of measurement.

The fair tax people say they spent millions of dollars of research, but only share their conclusions and not their methodology.

We are supposed to believe we can revamp the system and not only will everyone benefit, but we will in the end raise more money. Sounds like Voodoo Economics to me.

The guy who truly gets screwed is the middle class schmoe. The guy who works for a living.

The Steve Forbes crowd want to cut the "Inheritance tax" a core income area for the country. But this tax barely impacted anyone, so the marketing Gurus of the Republican party came up with the effective tool to call it "The Death Tax."

The reality is most everyone is protected from paying tax on their inheritance. Only about 12,000 estates annually have to worry about paying tax on their inheritance. These are really RICH people.

The Fair tax as well as the Flat tax want to free the rich from paying tax on:
  • Inheritance,
  • Expensive gifts,
  • and capital gains

"We don’t pay taxes. Only the little people pay taxes.
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Fair tax? Hardly - under this plan only people that work for a living will actually pay taxes.

The mega-rich, can merely pass houses, cars, boats to the next generation of non-workers completely tax-free.
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Re: House Quietly Votes to Raise Taxes

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Average americans dont need accountants because they pay no tax. 40 million wage earners have $0 tax liability. Who is rich and what do you consider the fair share the rich should pay? Put a number on it. 50%? 75%?
WTF? Average Americans pay no tax? WTF are you talking about?
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Do ever notice that the guys who favor abandoning the IRS and coming up with a fair or flat tax are always wildly rich guys like Steven Forbes.

Always be suspicious when someone has a solution that involves changing the units of measurement.

The fair tax people say they spent millions of dollars of research, but only share their conclusions and not their methodology.

We are supposed to believe we can revamp the system and not only will everyone benefit, but we will in the end raise more money. Sounds like Voodoo Economics to me.

The guy who truly gets screwed is the middle class schmoe. The guy who works for a living.

The Steve Forbes crowd want to cut the "Inheritance tax" a core income area for the country. But this tax barely impacted anyone, so the marketing Gurus of the Republican party came up with the effective tool to call it "The Death Tax."

The reality is most everyone is protected from paying tax on their inheritance. Only about 12,000 estates annually have to worry about paying tax on their inheritance. These are really RICH people.

The Fair tax as well as the Flat tax want to free the rich from paying tax on:
  • Inheritance,
  • Expensive gifts,
  • and capital gains

"We don’t pay taxes. Only the little people pay taxes.
Leona Helmsley


Fair tax? Hardly - under this plan only people that work for a living will actually pay taxes.

The mega-rich, can merely pass houses, cars, boats to the next generation of non-workers completely tax-free.
You are nearly correct on everything you said. And that is not a bad thing. There should be no tax on death or investment or gift giving. A house, car or boat should be taxed only once, not every time it changes hands.

Where you are incorrect is this:

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The fair tax people say they spent millions of dollars of research, but only share their conclusions and not their methodology.
I have tons of research papers that show otherwise.

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServ...about_research

Now, how about answering the question. What is rich, and how much is fair to take from them?
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I'll agree, it should be a flat tax rate........The IRS cost Americans millions every year, a flat tax would help resolve that.
Exactly. Everyone should pay 15% or something like that. If the billionaires paid their fair share, the same percentage as the rest of us, there'd be plenty of money.

Why do average citizen republicans encourage billionaires to pay less taxes (%) than the rest of us?

I don't get that.
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Exactly. Everyone should pay 15% or something like that. If the billionaires paid their fair share, the same percentage as the rest of us, there'd be plenty of money.

Why do average citizen republicans encourage billionaires to pay less taxes (%) than the rest of us?

I don't get that.
And those that make over $300,000 pay 35%. So then you agree that they deserve a tax break.
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And those that make over $300,000 pay 35%. So then you agree that they deserve a tax break.
And those that make over $800,000 pay even less, if anything at all.

Those that make over $95,000 don't even pay social security on anything over that amount. And people wonder why social security is low on funds.

Give me a break. The rich are stealing from the rest of us because they don't pay their fair share.

My flat tax example is a low percentage because I'd like every to pay a low percentage. Maybe everyone has to pay 35% for a while to cover the Bush admins irresponsible spending.

Wouldn't it be nice if the millionaires paid the same percentage as we did? Why should they get to pay less tax than us? Why would anyone who is not a millionaire go along with that?
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And those that make over $800,000 pay even less, if anything at all.

Those that make over $95,000 don't even pay social security on anything over that amount. And people wonder why social security is low on funds.

Give me a break. The rich are stealing from the rest of us because they don't pay their fair share.

My flat tax example is a low percentage because I'd like every to pay a low percentage. Maybe everyone has to pay 35% for a while to cover the Bush admins irresponsible spending.

Wouldn't it be nice if the millionaires paid the same percentage as we did? Why should they get to pay less tax than us? Why would anyone who is not a millionaire go along with that?
show me. Show me their percentage. I've looked and can't find it.

Explain to me why I should pay a higher tax because someone else spent my taxes wrong.
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