Agreed: Facts are facts.

And facts show the jobs created (actual ones, not by by 'Sector' as one of the now-discredited dances of BLS tried to do last Winter) are far inferior to the ones lost- in terms of pay.

In regards to what? How are they inferior? What would your perfect employment situation look like? Everyone being the CEO of Exxon? Who would clean our cars and make our meals? That would seem to be the point to me. The economy changes.

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Mining? Thanks to anciet laws written in 1872, the locals don't get very little of the money mining brings in, and more and more Mining companies are actually owned by foriegn companies. Computers? Explain? I hope you aren't refering to the people with bachelor's degrees who are making $9 an hour at geek squad. Certainly you don't mean manufacturing of the computers or customer service. Trade? We've had trade defieits since before I was born. Insurance? Yeah, I can believe that, which is a bad thing. Consulting is just a corporate term for outsourcing to overpriced Americans. Education? Healthcare? Both fields are constantly under scrutiny for being underpaying their workers.

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w has vastly increased spending and injected the ever larger government into every conceivable aspect of our lives except how many guns we have. And you crow about his success every day. So how can you possibly advocate reforming the tax code and getting government out of our lives? Your goals and w's actions are diametrically opposed yet you claim both are successful.

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You mean the needs of business owners change. And those changes are inflicted on workers n the form of lower paying jobs and reductions in benefits.

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When you place people in a position of having to use public services for subsistence formerly provided by employment you've lowered their standard of living, eliminated their tax contribution and subsidize them with public money, a triple negative hit. How many car cleaners and meal makers can a nation such as the US afford to employ and subsidize? It looks like we'll soon find out.

'The economy changes' is a direct contradiction to your normal posts of cheering cooked government numbers that indicate sound economic growth.

His economic policies have been succesful, but I dont recall crediting him with all the prosperity we have had. All I did was post reports that show economic growth. Nor do I think that his way is the best way. You are drawing incorrect conclusions.

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Peoples economic situation is one of their own making. The state of the economy is such that you can change your career and remain succesful. So, if the economy no longer needs manufacturing jobs, but does need retail jobs, then its time to get a new career. Look at farming. We cant remain an agricultural based economy forever, so we moved towards manufacturing, then information and service. The reports indicate that the country is producing more wealth than ever before and hiring more workers than ever before. The indicates an expanision, which is a good thing, regardless of the jobs being created. Someone has to flip burgers, someone has to manage those people, someone has to run the business. Someone has to drive the truck. All of these pepople can earn a living off those wages, and can choose the level of work they want to do to create their own standard of living. The role of the govt is to stay out of it, and remove as many barriers from free market as possible. The workers and businesses role is to adapt.

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So what you're saying is other than what the government decides to tell you, you don't have a clue about the ramifications of migrating from an industrial to service economy, current payment imbalance, public and personal fiscal irresponsibility or inflation, do you?

Im saying I dont care. Its a free economy. It does what it does, and the govt ought to stay out of it. The primary concern is how that affects a current consumer and IMO, the current situation is good. The numbers back that up.

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The numbers show median real wages have grown only 3% since 2000. Median wages have actually decreased 1.1% from 2003 to now. Wages for people below the median are also in the negative numbers. Wage earners in the 95th percentile have seen a 9.4% increase.

There is no magic law that says business owners are exempt from regulation and can increase profits at the expense of 90% of the rest of the country forever. Without workers there is no wealth for anyone. And when 1% of the population owns as much wealth as the bottom 90% it won't be long til the bottom 90% stops seeing any point in being productive members of society. It's time to redress the imbalance and allow working people to obtain a share of this magnicent economic "recovery" that their increased productivity and increasd share of the tax burden has brought about.

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The US economy is a bit like Microsoft Office.

If they "improve" it much more it won't work at all!

Pretending that we live up to our aspirations of a free market is not going to help us avert the pitfalls we face.

Whatever Ron Paul says, I don't see how we can survive globalization without government intervention.

How do you figure we have a free market?

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Thats all.

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

there is no such thing and has never been any such thing as a "free economy". I wish you would stop making statements about a mythical state of being as if it has some basis in reality.

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Edward Gibbon