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Economy loses Jobs in Aug 2007

Not good news for the economy, but this is the first time in 4 years. I remember starting posting these in 2002 or 2003 when the media and democrats were hyping up job losses and blaming it on Bush. Then they were silent for 4 years while millions of jobs were created. No doubt the crticism will be back in full effect for at least this month. The good news is unemployment is still low, and GDP is up, so maybe businesses are doing more with less people.

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THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION: AUGUST 2007

Nonfarm payroll employment was essentially unchanged (-4,000) in August, and
the unemployment rate remained at 4.6 percent, the Bureau of Labor Statistics of
the U.S. Department of Labor reported today. Over the last 3 months, total pay-
roll employment changes have averaged 44,000 per month and private sector employ-
ment changes have averaged 72,000 per month (as revised). In August, employment
in manufacturing, construction, and local government education declined, while job
growth continued in health care and food services.

Unemployment (Household Survey Data)

The number of unemployed and the unemployment rate held at 7.1 million and
4.6 percent, respectively, in August. The unemployment level and rate were
little changed from a year earlier. In August, the unemployment rates for adult
men (4.1 percent), adult women (4.1 percent), teenagers (16.1 percent), whites
(4.2 percent), blacks (7.7 percent), and Hispanics (5.5 percent) showed little
or no change. The unemployment rate for Asians was 3.4 percent, not seasonally
adjusted. (See tables A-1, A-2, and A-3.)


Total Employment and the Labor Force (Household Survey Data)

In August, the civilian labor force edged down to 152.9 million, and the
labor force participation rate decreased to 65.8 percent. The declines were
largely due to a drop in labor force participation among teenagers; their
participation rate fell to 39.7 percent. Total employment (145.8 million)
and the employment-population ratio (62.8 percent) were little changed over
the month. (See table A-1.)

The number of persons employed part time for economic reasons, at 4.5 million
in August, was 359,000 higher than a year earlier. This category includes persons
who indicated that they would like to work full time but were working part time
because their hours had been cut back or because they were unable to find full-
time jobs. (See table A-5.)

Persons Not in the Labor Force (Household Survey Data)

Nearly 1.4 million persons (not seasonally adjusted) were marginally attached
to the labor force in August, down by 227,000 from a year earlier. These indivi-
duals wanted and were available to work and had looked for a job sometime during
the prior 12 months. They were not counted as unemployed because they had not
searched for work in the 4 weeks preceding the survey. Among the marginally
attached, there were 392,000 discouraged workers in August, little different
from a year earlier. Discouraged workers were not currently looking for work
specifically because they believed no jobs were available for them. The nearly
1.0 million remaining persons marginally attached to the labor force in August
had not searched for work in the 4 weeks preceding the survey for reasons such
as school attendance and family responsibilities. (See table A-13.)
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Re: Economy loses Jobs in Aug 2007

So the tax cuts are working?
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So the tax cuts are working?
Yes ,with out doubt, they are
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Re: Economy loses Jobs in Aug 2007

I think they worked, and maybe now the effect is wearing off. Of course, if they arent made permanent, then we will get a tax raise very soon. I imagine that will be bad for employment.
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I think they worked, and maybe now the effect is wearing off. Of course, if they arent made permanent, then we will get a tax raise very soon. I imagine that will be bad for employment.
Despite the "jobs being created" and "tax cuts" the national debt continues to balloon...
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Despite the "jobs being created" and "tax cuts" the national debt continues to balloon...
When engineers, other professionals and former manufacturing employees become burger flippers, jobs are created. Energy, food and core inflation create an illusion of increased tax revenue with stagnated wages and inflated money by creating a current year 'dollar' value. Then you just print more money based on debt to pay the bills, tie it to a historical percentage of a cooked GDP while ignoring unfunded obligations and Joe Sixpack is pacified enough to let mindless entertainment reoccupy his waking hours.
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When engineers, other professionals and former manufacturing employees become burger flippers, jobs are created. Energy, food and core inflation create an illusion of increased tax revenue with stagnated wages and inflated money by creating a current year 'dollar' value. Then you just print more money based on debt to pay the bills, tie it to a historical percentage of a cooked GDP while ignoring unfunded obligations and Joe Sixpack is pacified enough to let mindless entertainment reoccupy his waking hours.
You conveniantly missed that most jobs being created in health services, as well as food service.
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You conveniantly missed that most jobs being created in health services, as well as food service.
Health services? Is that really because of a booming economy, or is it because old people need to be taken care of and the U.S. is about to be flooded with old people?
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Re: Economy loses Jobs in Aug 2007

So when Clinton raised taxes and the economy created 22 million new jobs, that showed that tax increases hurt the economy.
Because Bush cut taxes and the economy created 7 million new jobs.
Which is much better if you think about it, because under Bush's plan, 15 million people have the day off.
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You conveniantly missed that most jobs being created in health services, as well as food service.
Both are internal transaction service economy structures, basically stepping on the same old dollars. The US has an aging population funded by public money and is a net food importer. Ho hum. Now if you had pointed out how US companies had hired workers because their export divisions were booming, I might get excited.
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So when Clinton raised taxes and the economy created 22 million new jobs, that showed that tax increases hurt the economy.
Because Bush cut taxes and the economy created 7 million new jobs.
Which is much better if you think about it, because under Bush's plan, 15 million people have the day off.
That only makes sense if you assume that those 15 million people who got jobs under Clinton actually lost them under Bush. Is that you're assertion?

No?

Oh, then all you're doing is drooling on yourself...
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That only makes sense if you assume that those 15 million people who got jobs under Clinton actually lost them under Bush. Is that you're assertion?
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Hopefully that 15 million were the illegals working in agriculture (picking crops).
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Both are internal transaction service economy structures, basically stepping on the same old dollars. The US has an aging population funded by public money and is a net food importer. Ho hum. Now if you had pointed out how US companies had hired workers because their export divisions were booming, I might get excited.
Its a job, whats the difference? You are trying to paint the job growth as low skill, low wage, when that is not the case.
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So when Clinton raised taxes and the economy created 22 million new jobs, that showed that tax increases hurt the economy.
Because Bush cut taxes and the economy created 7 million new jobs.
Which is much better if you think about it, because under Bush's plan, 15 million people have the day off.
Not at all, they arent neccesarily correlated. The 90s was an information revolution which created lots of jobs, even till now. The question is, during the 90s could things have been EVEN BETTER had the govt not raised taxes. Youll notice i said the govt, not clinton. The president can not create laws, only approve them. As someone else pointed out however, more people are employed now than under Clinton. There has been no net job loss.
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Its a job, whats the difference? You are trying to paint the job growth as low skill, low wage, when that is not the case.
Goods producing (down) $18.76/hr average
Services (up) $17.03/hr average
Government (up) $34.19/hr average

It is lower skill, lower wage growth, other than high wage government growth. It sounds like you approve of the US pattern of job growth, but I don't consider more big, expensive government, more burger flippers and less goods production a positive change.

I'm not saying anything can be done about it yet due to US adjustment of migration to a post-industrial service economy with record government expansion and debt driving economic growth but I certainly wouldn't consider it anything to cheer about.
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