This is actually pretty fucking simple:

Work hard, and you might be rewarded. Reward is never, and should never, be guaranteed.

Be a lazy fuck, and you get nothing.

That pretty much sums it up...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

Are you sure?
When you interview for a job, do you not discuss reward for your services before you accept an offer?

I thought you'd probably applied for at least one job that paid greater than minimum wage but perhaps I'm mistaken.

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Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

Quite...

No, I do not discuss "reward", I discuss "compensation", which is what I'm paid if I perform to the minimum standards of my employer. My "reward" (in the form of a bonus) is paid as the result of working hard and expending more effort and energy than I have to...

You're quite the "baiter" today, aren't you? You're so good at it. You must be a Master-Bait... nevermind.

And I haven't had a minimum wage job since 1979, when I was 17...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

Ohhhhhhhhhh. I see. This is different from what Daisym was talking about. Wait, no it wasn't.
Well thats not at all what danielpalos was talking about when HE said "reward"! Nor was it part of Daisym's post/position/argument...

Nay, there is one greater than I. Master Steve taught me everything I know.

Thank you for clearing that up. I'm sure you can see why I thought differently.

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

AS it was you who introduced totally unfounded accusations of my 'laziness', I hardly think you're in a position to rebut my argument this way.

In addition, if you worked for MY organisation, and you were obviously spending so much of your paid time on non work activities, I would be speaking to your manager about staffing levels in his department.

As far as I'm concerned, when you work in industry you are there to work for your employer, not to entertain yourself. Of course there are social aspects to employment, however the reason your employer pays you is to work for him.

It seems to me like your department needs some rationalization if you have so much free time.

I would ask your manager to raise this at your next performance review, and discuss whether you need further training, so that you can take on more work since you are obviously underemployed at present.

Alternatively, if there are several people in such a position as yourself, there may be a need to reduce staffing levels in your section.

I believe that when people are at work they should be doing what they are paid to do.

As a salaried employee, I'm often been called on to work weekends, nights (in addition to a regular day), and holidays. I don't have a problem with that.

The trade off is that is that I pretty much write my own schedule. If I don't want to go to the office tomorrow, I don't have to. If I want to go to the office for a few hours and then go golfing, I can do that too, with the blessings of my Supervisor.

Don't pretend like you know anything about my job or my industry, or my work situation. You don't. Pretending that you do makes you look stupid...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

What if I am a lazy fuck of a worker, and still make a good living?

Well, you'd still be a lazy fuck.

If you're cool with that, more power to ya'...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

The 20-years of military service you volunteered for at an enlisted level paid more than graduating from college at 22 and pursing a professional career? Could you have afforded private health care for say the first ten years on your income if the government wasn't picking up the tab? With no government insurance and an inability to pay for health care for your daughter would you have cheered the presidential veto?

A college degree does not guarantee one a steady job, much less a "professional" one. There are plenty of waiters in this country with degrees.

But, and this just shows how ignorant your view is, I didn't join the military for the money. Had it paid me $500 a month or $5,000, I would have joined all the same...

I have no idea. I joined the military six months out of high school. Health care wasn't foremost on my mind. I have no idea what it would've cost me to obtain health insurance back in 1980, so I honestly couldn't say if I could've afforded it or not...

Yep.

I don't believe anyone should get something for nothing when it comes to prgrams like this. I was raised to work hard for what you want. You, clearly, were a spoiled child who was raised to believe that, if you whine long enough and loud enough, someone will come along and give you what you want, if for no other reason than to get you to shut the fuck up.

I can only speak for myself, but I don't care how long or how hard you whine...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"

I think first world countries can afford to pay people to be couch potatoes. We already know that third world countries cannot afford to pay people to be couch potatoes.

Why isn't it a matter of national pride, to claim first world status, much as the space race was when we were competing with second world economies

Such a comedian!

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

Steve inadvertently brings up a good point and one thats been on my mind for the past decade or so.
The United States GDP has actually been decreasing relative to other nations. All the while, the number of hours worked has been increasing.
Frequently, as I watched this happen - read about it on the internet in books or magazines - I sat at my desk in my employers office building. I could have been home doing this and it would have made no difference. My job is such that I am very, very busy at certain times during the month, and usually very slow at others. On average, I probably really worked about 40 hours but spent a fair bit more time stuck at my desk being non-productive for them or me. It doesn't make sense. I could have done so much more had I been allowed to truly manage my own schedule.
I think this is part of our problem. We still insist on adhering to the 8-5, 40 hr (but really 50 hr) work week, and two weeks vacation. This doesn't fit our globalizing economy where our counterparts may be in Australia or India or Hong Kong, working different hours in a different time zone and different standards.
We're waistful! And it's ludicrous!

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

While you may be a self-motivated employee capable of managing your own schedule and performing your duties without supervision that's not considered a normal circumstance in the general business world. The majority of workers require a structured environment including line supervision and personal interaction with their co-workers (the worn-out but applicable 'team' aspect of a workplace) to produce their best efforts, even in professional fields.

As to global communication requirements with different time zones, in one form or another that's always been in place. Even before the PC age every financial department of any size with global interests always had a rotation of people providing 24-hour coverage of ticker tape, FAX and telephone monitoring as money has always moved outside normal business hours in the overnight markets. Manufacturing of products requiring raw materials requires 24/7/365 monitoring and communications to ensure on-time delivery of those materials and finished components to facilitate factory scheduling as ships, rail and trucking don't adhere to regular schedules. I could go on and on with 24/7/365 business requirements but my point is that in most cases different time zone requirements have, since electronic communication was developed, always been accommodated as required.

What I fail to understand is how many employees find time to use the Internet for personal purposes such as contributing to this forum during work hours. While it's understood that peddlers, customer service and other such unsupervised employees who travel will always make time for their personal requirements, how do people in an office structure make time to use the net for personal purposes? I'd have to think that's simply poor line supervision derived from lax management.

Sure, we can afford it. We just don't want to give you free money...

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Sayeth John Drake - 10/13/08: "OK, you're right, I admit to LYING"