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Heating Oil, the new gasoline?

In school studying science i learned that heating oil and Diesel were the lowest grades of fuel in the production process, therefore also the easiest and cheapest to make, as far as i can see not much has changed at the low end, so why are we being charged a premium price for the lowest grade product cheapest to produce?
I have included this link to a very well done pdf file which explains the procedures and impacts. Why are we being raped by this process?

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Re: Heating Oil, the new gasoline?

The price of crude oil has risen.

Ergo, the products made from crude oil has risen.
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Re: Heating Oil, the new gasoline?

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The price of crude oil has risen.

Ergo, the products made from crude oil has risen.
I agree however when gas was was 2.50 a gallon i was paying 1.50 a gallon for fuel oil and that was just about 4 years back and i was driving a diesel mercedes paying 2 dollars a gallon, how did these prices reverse making the lowest, cheapest to refine more expensive, and the demand of any of these products has not changed.
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Re: Heating Oil, the new gasoline?

IIRC, we've got new federal standards for diesel fuel, which costs the refiners to meet.

Those costs get passed on to the consumer - something that politicians can't seem to grasp.

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Re: Heating Oil, the new gasoline?

I think that the demand for diesel has increased (in addition to the new sulfur standard).
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Re: Heating Oil, the new gasoline?

Makes sense, too.

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Re: Heating Oil, the new gasoline?

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I think that the demand for diesel has increased (in addition to the new sulfur standard).
OK when electric cars become standard will you also support a 100% increase on electricity?
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Re: Heating Oil, the new gasoline?

My home's not heated by heating oil, and my Exxon stock is at over $93.00 a share...

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Re: Heating Oil, the new gasoline?

As demand rises, price rises.

Doesn't matter if anyone supports it or not (and FWIW, I don't see pram's comment as supporting the price increase).
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Re: Heating Oil, the new gasoline?

Heating oil and or diesel is the lifeblood of rural energy, especially where I live. When 8 years ago, when oil was less than $25 per bl, the cost burden was much less to us. The rising cost of this type of energy makes great strain on our pocketbooks. January of 07 I spent over $700 in home heating fuel.

Also, keep in mind that commercial aviation is among the highest demand for low grade fuel. Jet-A fuel is more or less diesel.
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OK when electric cars become standard will you also support a 100% increase on electricity?
Uh, I'd rather see the money used to educate some on basic economics...
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Heating oil and or diesel is the lifeblood of rural energy, especially where I live. When 8 years ago, when oil was less than $25 per bl, the cost burden was much less to us. The rising cost of this type of energy makes great strain on our pocketbooks. January of 07 I spent over $700 in home heating fuel.

Also, keep in mind that commercial aviation is among the highest demand for low grade fuel. Jet-A fuel is more or less diesel.
No offense intended, but perhaps if you're spending too much on energy, you shouldn't be living above the Arctic circle?

There's a reason that very little life exists up there...
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Re: Heating Oil, the new gasoline?

When you build a refinery, you can control the product mix, but once it's built the product mix is pretty much fixed, regular gas, the lightest product, high octane gas, the second lightest, #1 oil (Kerosene or jet fuel), #2 Oil (Diesel or heating oil), #3 oil and # 4 oil (power plants) and asphalt (the heaviest product).

Refineries used to be built to maximize gasoline production, but in Europe, something like 70% of the new cars are diesel, European refineries stepped up production in the 90's and exported the excess gasoline (remember 99 cent regular in 1998?). The increased demand for #2 oil from all these diesel cars has pushed the price of diesel higher than the price of gasoline.
Over time, as refineries undergo major refittings, the product mix can be changed to produce more diesel and less gasoline, but this will take many years.
At one time, gasoline was a waste product, and was diverted to trenches and burned off, #1 oil was the most valuable product then, competing against whale oil as lamp fuel.
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My home's not heated by heating oil, and my Exxon stock is at over $93.00 a share...

Your point?
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Re: Heating Oil, the new gasoline?

Well just the obvious comes to mind here, the lowest grade fuels take 1 or 2 processes while gasoline requires about 6, resulting in fuel oils such as heating oil to be the cheapest to make, and outside of greed in the market i see no justifiable reason for the unsupported increase in price. I see not one justification for a 3 dollar plus a barrel increase as it is happening right now.
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