Visit the U.S. Politics Online Discussion Forum Archives!

Sponsored by:

U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum  

Bookmark Us! E-Mail DONATE NOW! Photo Gallery Document Archives Quiz! Register to Vote!!!
Go Back   U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum > Issue Politics > Economic Issues

Economic Issues Business, Commerce, Consumer Affairs, Economics, Public Finance, Trade

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 04-09-2008
pramjockey's Avatar
pramjockey pramjockey is offline
OMG!
Scruffy-looking nerf herder

 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: Morrison, CO
Posts: 14,159

Scotland     Colorado

Re: The Airline Industry

Quote:
Originally Posted by erikvv View Post
If the French can go under the channel and the swiss under the Alps (153.5km of tunnel!) the Americans can go over/under the Rockies. The Chinese even made a railroad through Tibet (that's a challenge in a whole different league than what is possible in Europe or the USA). And lets not forget Japan, they don't have it easy geographically either. I already bought the Japanese tourist train card for this summer.
I've taken the TGV from Zurich (?) to Paris. And, yes, there are some amazing tunnels that the Swiss have built. But, you're still not understanding the sheer scope. France is the size of Texas. Just Texas.

Japan? Again, tiny in comparison. And, with such a narrow island system, geography is far less of an issue.
__________________
When they come a wull staun ma groon
Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 04-09-2008
Bunz's Avatar
Bunz Bunz is offline
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member
Independant Idealist

 
Member Since: Jun 2007
Location: Unalaska
Posts: 1,176

Alaska    
Re: The Airline Industry

Also Erik, the land issues involved. Many of the existing land corridors and such were established over 100 years ago when many areas were sparesly populated. Plus, there appears to often times be more working collectively between European governments than one American state government with its neighbors.

I fully understand the benefits of train travel. I have really enjoyed the handful of times I have been on a real train. But I still would love to fly. I love the view. Nothing beats it.
__________________
Abstinence Education at its finest:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Traveler View Post
I wonder how your governor got pregnant....
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 04-09-2008
erikvv's Avatar
erikvv erikvv is offline
Secretary of Defense

 
Member Since: Apr 2007
Location: Kingdom of the Netherlands
Posts: 2,457

Netherlands     European_Union

Quote:
Originally Posted by pramjockey View Post
I've taken the TGV from Zurich (?) to Paris. And, yes, there are some amazing tunnels that the Swiss have built. But, you're still not understanding the sheer scope. France is the size of Texas. Just Texas.

Japan? Again, tiny in comparison. And, with such a narrow island system, geography is far less of an issue.
Just you wait, if the infrastructure keeps changing at this rate then we can go from Stockholm to Marrakech in a day.
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 04-09-2008
pramjockey's Avatar
pramjockey pramjockey is offline
OMG!
Scruffy-looking nerf herder

 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: Morrison, CO
Posts: 14,159

Scotland     Colorado

Re: The Airline Industry

Or about 4 hours by plane.
__________________
When they come a wull staun ma groon
Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 04-09-2008
AdrienXII AdrienXII is offline
Secretary of State

 
Member Since: Dec 2004
Location: france
Posts: 5,158

   
Re: The Airline Industry

Quote:
Originally Posted by pramjockey View Post
Or about 4 hours by plane.
As long as there's fuel, at least...Also, modern trains and maglev technology will probably narrow the speed gap. A 600km/h speed for trains can probably be achieved in the not too distant future.
Reply With Quote
  #21 (permalink)  
Old 04-09-2008
erikvv's Avatar
erikvv erikvv is offline
Secretary of Defense

 
Member Since: Apr 2007
Location: Kingdom of the Netherlands
Posts: 2,457

Netherlands     European_Union

Re: The Airline Industry

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunz View Post
Also Erik, the land issues involved. Many of the existing land corridors and such were established over 100 years ago when many areas were sparesly populated. Plus, there appears to often times be more working collectively between European governments than one American state government with its neighbors.
European governements working together? HAHA, tell that to the port of Antwerp. The bigger ships can't get there because the Dutch keep slowing the procedure to deepen the river, while the Belgian part is done. Also the direct train route to the Ruhr area through the Netherlands has been taken out of use because it runs through an area of natural beauty.

Or how about the Germans not equipping their part of the Rotterdam-Ruhr line to handle 2-layer container trains, effectively halving the capacity of the entire line? I bet that doesn't have anything to do with the ambition to make Hamburg the biggest port of Europe.

Last edited by erikvv; 04-09-2008 at 06:43 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #22 (permalink)  
Old 04-09-2008
pramjockey's Avatar
pramjockey pramjockey is offline
OMG!
Scruffy-looking nerf herder

 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: Morrison, CO
Posts: 14,159

Scotland     Colorado

Re: The Airline Industry

Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrienXII View Post
As long as there's fuel, at least...Also, modern trains and maglev technology will probably narrow the speed gap. A 600km/h speed for trains can probably be achieved in the not too distant future.
Perhaps.

Until those with bad intent start leaving rocks on the tracks. Maglev? Maybe. Not so good up/down inclines, IIRC.
__________________
When they come a wull staun ma groon
Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears
Reply With Quote
  #23 (permalink)  
Old 04-09-2008
AdrienXII AdrienXII is offline
Secretary of State

 
Member Since: Dec 2004
Location: france
Posts: 5,158

   
Re: The Airline Industry

Quote:
Originally Posted by pramjockey View Post
Perhaps.

Until those with bad intent start leaving rocks on the tracks. Maglev? Maybe. Not so good up/down inclines, IIRC.
What inclines? Bulldoze the Rockies flat, I say.
Reply With Quote
  #24 (permalink)  
Old 04-09-2008
pramjockey's Avatar
pramjockey pramjockey is offline
OMG!
Scruffy-looking nerf herder

 
Member Since: Feb 2006
Location: Morrison, CO
Posts: 14,159

Scotland     Colorado

Re: The Airline Industry

Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrienXII View Post
What inclines? Bulldoze the Rockies flat, I say.


I like my mountains. Of course, the Rockies are as wide as France, and stretch from Alaska to Antarctica with few breaks.

That's a lot of bulldozing.
__________________
When they come a wull staun ma groon
Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears
Reply With Quote
  #25 (permalink)  
Old 04-09-2008
Bunz's Avatar
Bunz Bunz is offline
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member
Independant Idealist

 
Member Since: Jun 2007
Location: Unalaska
Posts: 1,176

Alaska    
Re: The Airline Industry

Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrienXII View Post
What inclines? Bulldoze the Rockies flat, I say.
Cute, just push whatever can fit of the rubble into the Grand Canyon.

Or on a personal note, just build a road to Ketchikan AK from Seattle. A gravel spit 8 lanes wide that skirts 100 yards outside the Canadian waters. Make it a hell of a lot nicer for road travel between AK and the lower 48.
__________________
Abstinence Education at its finest:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Traveler View Post
I wonder how your governor got pregnant....
Reply With Quote
  #26 (permalink)  
Old 04-09-2008
erikvv's Avatar
erikvv erikvv is offline
Secretary of Defense

 
Member Since: Apr 2007
Location: Kingdom of the Netherlands
Posts: 2,457

Netherlands     European_Union

Re: The Airline Industry

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunz View Post
Cute, just push whatever can fit of the rubble into the Grand Canyon.

Or on a personal note, just build a road to Ketchikan AK from Seattle. A gravel spit 8 lanes wide that skirts 100 yards outside the Canadian waters. Make it a hell of a lot nicer for road travel between AK and the lower 48.
That'll be one huge "bridge to nowhere".
Reply With Quote
  #27 (permalink)  
Old 04-09-2008
AdrienXII AdrienXII is offline
Secretary of State

 
Member Since: Dec 2004
Location: france
Posts: 5,158

   
Re: The Airline Industry

Quote:
Originally Posted by erikvv View Post
That'll be one huge "bridge to nowhere".
Nah. It will be a bridge to Bunz's cabin.
Reply With Quote
  #28 (permalink)  
Old 04-09-2008
erikvv's Avatar
erikvv erikvv is offline
Secretary of Defense

 
Member Since: Apr 2007
Location: Kingdom of the Netherlands
Posts: 2,457

Netherlands     European_Union

Re: The Airline Industry

Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrienXII View Post
Nah. It will be a bridge to Bunz's cabin.
I was referring to the famous Gravina Island Bridge, which they call "the bridge to nowhere", a project costing hundreds of millions $$ which goes to an island with only 50 inhabitants.
Reply With Quote
  #29 (permalink)  
Old 04-09-2008
Bunz's Avatar
Bunz Bunz is offline
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member
Independant Idealist

 
Member Since: Jun 2007
Location: Unalaska
Posts: 1,176

Alaska    
Re: The Airline Industry

Oh it wouldnt even get close to me. That is just to the first city on the inside passage. I am quite a bit closer to Russia than I am to Ketchikan.
About 1500 miles away.

I am am about equal distance from Sapporo Japan as I am from Seattle.
__________________
Abstinence Education at its finest:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Traveler View Post
I wonder how your governor got pregnant....
Reply With Quote
  #30 (permalink)  
Old 04-09-2008
Bunz's Avatar
Bunz Bunz is offline
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member
Independant Idealist

 
Member Since: Jun 2007
Location: Unalaska
Posts: 1,176

Alaska    
Re: The Airline Industry

Quote:
Originally Posted by erikvv View Post
I was referring to the Gravina Island Bridge, which they call "the bridge to nowhere".
Oh lets not get this started. Id like to know how it is considered nowhere when the 4th largest city in the state isnt road connected to its internation airport. Now JMC brings that up every time and it is just factually incorrect.
But that isnt far off target considering we are talking about the airline industry.
__________________
Abstinence Education at its finest:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Traveler View Post
I wonder how your governor got pregnant....
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:47 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC6
Copyright © 2000 - 2008 U.S. Politics Online