I saw this on cnn...man of man....what a gas, Portland is going to do this as well, more money to install meters over parking meters so folks will drop coinage not in their hands but in a meter...yea, you invited them here and pay them cash each month, and you don’t want us to give them cash because it will got to booze etc...in effect you want me to subsidize your misguided policy? Great.....no thx.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNR110L13S.DTL

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OMG. That's whacked. I blame the idea on medical marijuana.

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We've got the meters here in CO. They've actually been somewhat successful.

TheStar.com | World | Denver parking meters help homeless

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Successful in getting money for charities, or in getting homeless people off the streets?

does denver pay their homless in cash or in vouchers?

and I have to say I found this, well amusing- The most visible face of poverty in America is standing in front of a 7-Eleven on this city's popular downtown pedestrian mall, pleading for beer money and bragging that he can still pocket up to $80 per day panhandling.

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Before the 10-year plan was established, each chronically homeless person on the streets of Denver was costing the city $40,000, says the mayor, citing shelter, health care, detox and incarceration.


I would think you are paying for this in taxes already, to me this is just another abrogation of gov. responsibilities.

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


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Success in getting homeless people off the streets (11%).

Denver's Road Home - 10 Year Plan to End Homelessness

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Only in San Francisco and Portland.

I hate Portland so much. At least, the political atmosphere.

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Can taking, roughly, one out of every ten homeless people off the streets be considered a "success"?

I think it shows that the program could work, but I would probably refrain from saying it was a successful program...

Could be why I wrote "somewhat successful:"

It's progress. Chronic homelessness has been reduced by 1/3. One can hope that the trend continues.

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Do you mean in San Francisco specifically or as a general program? In City X which has well-established nonprofits that target the homeless this would seem to be a positive program, redirecting donations to agencies that have public support. The city's intervention seems pretty minimal/innocuous -- you can still give a homeless person money if that's what you prefer.

I'd view it more as "not nearly as successful as hoped for".

Sorry, I just don't see 10% as any kind of success...

I think this is a great idea. People who donate to these things have an idea where there money is going to and have a good excuse not to give directly to the homeless. It is voluntary. It also raises awareness for the issue of homelessness and provides a convenient way to donate. As a result resource would be transferred from being directly given to panhandlers to being indirectly provided by the charities. Giving the homeless tools to help them deal with their issues.

I think this is what they want to avoid:

Magical Homeless Man Turns Spare Change Into Vomit | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

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theres no story!!!!

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


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and what issues are those?

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor