Visit the U.S. Politics Online Discussion Forum Archives!

Sponsored by:

U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum  

Bookmark Us! E-Mail DONATE NOW! Photo Gallery Document Archives Quiz! Register to Vote!!!
Go Back   U.S. Politics Online: A Political Discussion Forum > Issue Politics > Economic Issues

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 06-20-2008
iamwhatiseem's Avatar
iamwhatiseem iamwhatiseem is offline
Moderator
Pays too much in taxes

 
Member Since: Mar 2004
Location: Indiana
Posts: 12,313

United_States     Indiana

Stocks continue to tumble.

Who knows: maybe reality is actually having an effect on Wall Street, as sign after sign points to economy not improving.
Not one I wanted to be right on - but as I said a few months back, I believe the DOW will dip below 12000 in July, and I still maintain it will dip below 11000 by August.

I hope you have moved your funds by now as the DOW has officially fell 1000 points in 30 days.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 06-20-2008
Imperator's Avatar
Imperator Imperator is online now
Moderator
Audiatur et altera pars!

 
Member Since: Sep 2006
Location: San Jose, Ca
Posts: 12,151

United_States    
Re: Stocks continue to tumble.

I have been in a holding pattern have been since November. My pension plan is protected thank god. 401 k is self directed....fuc'em....

but hey jobless claims dropped ..
__________________
Obama-e fungis nati homines....
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 06-20-2008
Alex Alex is offline
Vice President

 
Member Since: Jan 2004
Location: Los Angeles Ca
Posts: 7,138

United_States    
Re: Stocks continue to tumble.

In my experience that fastest and easiest way to lose money in any investment is to react to short term market swings or volatility. Performance chasing, market timing, trying to pick individual stocks, making wild changes in asset allocations- these are all sure-fire ways to go broke quick. All serious money is invested with a LONG TERM time perspective. Personally, I have put together an asset allocation plan that lets me sleep at night and still achieve my financial goals. I have no plans of changing my asset allocation regardless of what happens in the short term because my plan is well thought out and matches my risk tolerance. If I do anything, I'll be adding to my stock holdings because I like to buy when things are on sale! My advice is to stay the course, it will pay off in the long run.
__________________
"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to
change it." -- Barack Obama
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 06-20-2008
iamwhatiseem's Avatar
iamwhatiseem iamwhatiseem is offline
Moderator
Pays too much in taxes

 
Member Since: Mar 2004
Location: Indiana
Posts: 12,313

United_States     Indiana

Re: Stocks continue to tumble.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex View Post
In my experience that fastest and easiest way to lose money in any investment is to react to short term market swings or volatility. Performance chasing, market timing, trying to pick individual stocks, making wild changes in asset allocations- these are all sure-fire ways to go broke quick. All serious money is invested with a LONG TERM time perspective. Personally, I have put together an asset allocation plan that lets me sleep at night and still achieve my financial goals. I have no plans of changing my asset allocation regardless of what happens in the short term because my plan is well thought out and matches my risk tolerance. If I do anything, I'll be adding to my stock holdings because I like to buy when things are on sale! My advice is to stay the course, it will pay off in the long run.
You are buying too early....it ain't done falling yet.
I moved my money last year...thankfully avoided losing $1000's like my friends and colleagues have.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 06-21-2008
wrxsti wrxsti is offline
Joint Chiefs of Staff Member

 
Member Since: May 2005
Location: Blue State
Posts: 1,114

   
Re: Stocks continue to tumble.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex View Post
In my experience that fastest and easiest way to lose money in any investment is to react to short term market swings or volatility. Performance chasing, market timing, trying to pick individual stocks, making wild changes in asset allocations- these are all sure-fire ways to go broke quick. All serious money is invested with a LONG TERM time perspective. Personally, I have put together an asset allocation plan that lets me sleep at night and still achieve my financial goals. I have no plans of changing my asset allocation regardless of what happens in the short term because my plan is well thought out and matches my risk tolerance. If I do anything, I'll be adding to my stock holdings because I like to buy when things are on sale! My advice is to stay the course, it will pay off in the long run.
I have to agree here. I've seen friends get cought up in this, they inevitably buy high and sell low. My retirement is 30+ years away, were going to ride this one out. It is depressing to open the quarterly statements however.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 06-21-2008
partofme's Avatar
partofme partofme is online now
Moderator

 
Member Since: Apr 2004
Location: Murray Kentucky
Posts: 14,238

Earth     United_States

Re: Stocks continue to tumble.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex View Post
In my experience that fastest and easiest way to lose money in any investment is to react to short term market swings or volatility. Performance chasing, market timing, trying to pick individual stocks, making wild changes in asset allocations- these are all sure-fire ways to go broke quick. All serious money is invested with a LONG TERM time perspective. Personally, I have put together an asset allocation plan that lets me sleep at night and still achieve my financial goals. I have no plans of changing my asset allocation regardless of what happens in the short term because my plan is well thought out and matches my risk tolerance. If I do anything, I'll be adding to my stock holdings because I like to buy when things are on sale! My advice is to stay the course, it will pay off in the long run.
I think this is the sensible approach. I'm 29 and I know that in a couple decades I will probably not even remember this period and it will most likely be nothing more than a blip once I reach retirement age.
__________________
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 06-21-2008
mudwhistle's Avatar
mudwhistle mudwhistle is offline
Secretary of State
Not A Poser

 
Member Since: Oct 2007
Location: Clarksville TN
Posts: 3,520
Blog Entries: 15

United_States     Montana

Re: Stocks continue to tumble.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Imperator View Post
I have been in a holding pattern have been since November. My pension plan is protected thank god. 401 k is self directed....fuc'em....

but hey jobless claims dropped ..
I've got half in Canada funds and the rest in bonds.

America......with Dems running the place into the ground....is not a good prospect for the future.
__________________


"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis,"

"The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies,

the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."
- Rep. Barney Frank (D)
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 06-21-2008
Alex Alex is offline
Vice President

 
Member Since: Jan 2004
Location: Los Angeles Ca
Posts: 7,138

United_States    
Re: Stocks continue to tumble.

Quote:
Originally Posted by wrxsti View Post
I have to agree here. I've seen friends get cought up in this, they inevitably buy high and sell low. My retirement is 30+ years away, were going to ride this one out. It is depressing to open the quarterly statements however.
That's right, in 30 yrs, today's volatility will be a dim, distant memory. The best thing to do is "stay the course and keep fully invested". Add to your investments on a regular basis and you'll be just fine. Market timing is a fools errand, nobody can do it consistently.
__________________
"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to
change it." -- Barack Obama
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 06-21-2008
Alex Alex is offline
Vice President

 
Member Since: Jan 2004
Location: Los Angeles Ca
Posts: 7,138

United_States    
Re: Stocks continue to tumble.

Quote:
Originally Posted by partofme View Post
I think this is the sensible approach. I'm 29 and I know that in a couple decades I will probably not even remember this period and it will most likely be nothing more than a blip once I reach retirement age.
You are wise beyond your years. At age 29 you can take solace that the stock market is in a bear mode. You'll now have the opportunity to purchase stocks at a lower cost. Then when the bull market makes it's inevitable return, you'll reap the rewards. Keep adding to your investments in regular periods.
__________________
"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to
change it." -- Barack Obama
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 06-21-2008
Alex Alex is offline
Vice President

 
Member Since: Jan 2004
Location: Los Angeles Ca
Posts: 7,138

United_States    
Re: Stocks continue to tumble.

Quote:
Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem View Post
You are buying too early....it ain't done falling yet.
I moved my money last year...thankfully avoided losing $1000's like my friends and colleagues have.
My only advice to you is an old investment adage: "More money has been lost by trying to "time" the market than by simply staying the course." You seem to believe you can outsmart the market. I have learned that to be a humbling experience. Besides the potential tax implications involved with buying and selling appreciated assets, even if you know when to get out, you'll probably not know when to get back in! My experience is that it is nearly impossible to do with any consistency. Whatever you do, best of luck to you.

PS - one of the ways to avoid the 'losers game' of market timing is to properly allocate your assets among the major asset classes (Large Cap Stock, small and mid cap stock, US Bonds, International stock, Int'l bonds, REITS, Precious metals, Sector funds, etc..) and then stick to that allocation by re-balancing periodically. That way you can withstand the inevitable ups and downs without losing sleep. Another benefit of periodic re-balancing is it forces you to buy low and sell high......
__________________
"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to
change it." -- Barack Obama
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks
Digg del.icio.us StumbleUpon Google

Thread Tools
Display Modes

 
Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:34 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0 Release Candidate 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC6
Copyright © 2000 - 2008 U.S. Politics Online