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Old 07-29-2008
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Govt Still Spending Recklessly

We should all be able to agree that both political parties are overspending. Even with the govt collecting more taxes than ever before, Congress is passing ever increasing appropriations bills, and the President is signing them. Rather than address this, everyone plays the blame game. Whats the solution here? Dems will say higher taxes. Republicans will say less spending. Perhaps the solution is to fire everyone in Congress and put in some people with a fresh perspective and less pandering to pork.

White House Predicts $482 Billion Deficit - NYTimes.com

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The new White House report also includes these predictions:

¶Total federal revenues will decline slightly from 2007 to 2008.

¶In 2008 and in each of the next three years, corporate income tax collections will be lower than the amount collected in 2007.

¶Federal spending will increase nearly 8 percent this year and then 6.5 percent in 2009. In 2009, federal spending will be equivalent to 21.1 percent of the economy, the largest share since 1993.
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Old 07-29-2008
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Re: Govt Still Spending Recklessly

aye...
Democrats - "tax and spend"
Republicans - "Borrow and spend"
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aye...
Democrats - "tax and spend"
Republicans - "Borrow and spend"
Dems dont seem to have a problem with borrow and spend either.
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Politicians spend. Its how they appear to be doing something.

GOP would do itself a huge favor by making that the #1 Congressional Priority for the fall. And its very beneficial that so many old GOPs are checking out if they can work up the courage to do this.

I'm pretty sure all tax payer/voters are in agreement that spending is a problem.
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Dems dont seem to have a problem with borrow and spend either.
At this point both sides have no problem with all approaches to spending money we don't have. I feel terrible and in some ways rather embarrassed for the nightmare our kids are going to inherit.
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Politicians spend. Its how they appear to be doing something.

GOP would do itself a huge favor by making that the #1 Congressional Priority for the fall. And its very beneficial that so many old GOPs are checking out if they can work up the courage to do this.

I'm pretty sure all tax payer/voters are in agreement that spending is a problem.
Yep, I forsee another Gingrich style revolution at some point, followed by the GOP getting control of congress again, reforming a few things, then becoming corrupt again. We need term limits.
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Re: Govt Still Spending Recklessly

they all suck, period end of story.
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Re: Govt Still Spending Recklessly

Early on, for about 10 minutes, I tried to convince myself that GWB was going along with all this spending bullshit in an effort to bankrupt the Fed. Then we could dismantle it and all the bullshit programs within and sell it for scrap.

No such luck.
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I forsee another Gingrich style revolution at some point, followed by the GOP getting control of congress again, reforming a few things, then becoming corrupt again. We need term limits.
I agree on all of the above.

But true term limits have been found unconstitutional, since they can deny people having the representative of their choice. The way to get incumbants out of office is the same way they keep Libertarians and other 3rd parties out of office - ballot access restrictions. The state-level law (or better, constitutional amendment, since a law will just be overridden by self-interested incumbant politicians) should read something like "No candidate for office having appeared on two previous general election ballots for a given office or seat and having served more than one full term in that office or seat since the second such preceding ballot, cannot appear on the general election ballot for that same office or seat. Write-in candidacies for such ballot-excluded candidates are permitted as allowed by law." This essentially limits any politician to 2 consecutive terms, with the option of coming back after a 1-term hiatus. If they have enough backing that they can win a 3rd term purely on write-in votes, then the people have truly spoken (rather than just followed along like sheep as they do now) and the incumbant can continue in office and even appear on the next two ballots, so nobody is barred from holding any office and thus there are no constitutional issues. (And the wording is such that there are no workarounds like resigning after serving 1 3/4 terms or some such.)
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I agree on all of the above.

But true term limits have been found unconstitutional, since they can deny people having the representative of their choice. The way to get incumbants out of office is the same way they keep Libertarians and other 3rd parties out of office - ballot access restrictions. The state-level law (or better, constitutional amendment, since a law will just be overridden by self-interested incumbant politicians) should read something like "No candidate for office having appeared on two previous general election ballots for a given office or seat and having served more than one full term in that office or seat since the second such preceding ballot, cannot appear on the general election ballot for that same office or seat. Write-in candidacies for such ballot-excluded candidates are permitted as allowed by law." This essentially limits any politician to 2 consecutive terms, with the option of coming back after a 1-term hiatus. If they have enough backing that they can win a 3rd term purely on write-in votes, then the people have truly spoken (rather than just followed along like sheep as they do now) and the incumbant can continue in office and even appear on the next two ballots, so nobody is barred from holding any office and thus there are no constitutional issues. (And the wording is such that there are no workarounds like resigning after serving 1 3/4 terms or some such.)
Im thinking in terms of a constitutional amendment that term limts congress.
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Yep, I forsee another Gingrich style revolution at some point, followed by the GOP getting control of congress again, reforming a few things, then becoming corrupt again. We need term limits.


he's been trying to get them motivated for months. they require but lack courage at this point. I think they over estimate the value of pork. or perhaps the pork nas gotten a little more strong arm in nature ?
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