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Old 08-29-2008
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Re: 4 Sale . . . . cheap!

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And why would socialism be so bad? Since we don't have true democracy now, why not try something else for a change?
We aren't supposed to have a true Democracy, as the founding fathers of this nation warned us about true democracy.

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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
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Alexander Hamilton: “Our real disease - which is democracy.” John Adams: “Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” Fisher Ames: “The known propensity of a democracy is to licentiousness which the ambitious call, and ignorant believe to be liberty.” Albert Gallatin: “The Bill (of Rights)…establishes some rights of the individual unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of.” James Madison: “A pure democracy…can admit no cure to the mischiefs of faction.” Gouverneur Morris: “We have seen the tumult of democracies…everywhere terminated, in despotism.” John Quincy Adams: “of all human governments, democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating and short lived.” John Whitherspoon: “Democracy cannot subsist long…it is subject to the madness of popular rage.” Benjamin Rush: “A simple democracy…is one of the greatest evils.” Noah Webster: “(Democracy) is one of the most tyrannical governments on earth.”

According to the Army Training manual.........

DEMOCRACY: "A government of the masses. Authority is derived through mass meeting or any other form of direct expression. Results in mobocracy, attitude toward property is communistic - negating property rights."

"Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it be based on deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequence. Results in demagogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy."
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Socialism will NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, WORK, AS LONG AS GREED EXISTS IN MAN.

If you think we have it bad now, go ahead and wish for socialism.

If you take away the right to own property, all other rights will quickly be taken away as well.

Capitalism has a lot of faults, but the faults would pale in comparison to socialism. Why do so many people want to take away from successful people and give the fruits of their labor to others?

The 1928 definition of a democracy was later changed by those who write Army manuals, however. This was all changed in 1952. BUT WHY?

This is now the definition of a democracy in the Soldier's Guide:

"Because the United States is a democracy, the majority of the people decide how the government will be organized and run - and that includes the Army, Navy and Air Force. These people do this by electing representatives, and these men and women then carry out the wishes of the people."


When is the last time you heard any US elected official, or anyone in the media call our government a Republic?

Why are we being lied to about the type of government we have?

Ever wonder about these things?
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And why would socialism be so bad? Since we don't have true democracy now, why not try something else for a change?
The way US history is taught in this country there is no surprise most people do not know this, but socialism has been tried in the US. 200 years before Karl Marx was even born, the New World discovered the absolute failures of socialism.

I am refering to the Mayflower Compact drafted for the 102 poeple aboard that ship by thier leader, William Bradford. The Bible was the template for all rules written, therefore, overwhelming optimism in its success traveled with them. But the contract was pure socialism. Everything produced was community property, to be equally distributed to all. Half the people starved the first winter, and even after the natives taught them the tricks of the land the pilgrims barely got by. Bradford decided to scrap the socialist system, and award each family its own plot of land, and allow ownership over everything they produce. By the next fall there were huge surpluses of food, more than could be stored for the winter, therefore, they decided to invite the natives to a big feast as thanks for the help. But it was not only the natives which saved the Mayflower's settlement, it was the change from socialism to capitalism that caused them to prosper.

History . . . so important to understand. Look up the writings of William Bradford if you don't believe me.
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In a recent poll, many Americans approved of nationalizing the oil industry.

Rasmussen Report: Just 47% Oppose Nationalizing Oil Industry, do you oppose nationalizing the oil industry?

What about it?

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Wow, what a ridiculously misleading title they gave that poll. There was almost twice as respondents opposed to nationalization as there that supported it.


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29% Yes
47% No
24% Not sure

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90% of the worlds oil production is nationalized.
Most of the oil used in the US comes from nationalized oil companies.
I'll bet you didn't know that..........
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90% of the worlds oil production is nationalized.
Most of the oil used in the US comes from nationalized oil companies.
I'll bet you didn't know that..........

A lot of people think that if a nation nationalizes oil, then the foreign oil companies are cut out, but that is not the case. US oil companies have stakes in many nations that have supposedly nationalized oil.

There are actually some benefits to doing business in a nation that has nationalized oil.

Here is a good short piece........

Multi-national oil companies don't really care much if a country's government holds legal title to the oil fields, as long as the corporations can squeeze out maximum profits. It's actually a good deal for the oil companies if the state technically owns the fields, because the government is then obliged to protect the corporation's drilling and transit operations. This works fine for the multinationals, who enter into corrupt relationships with the ruling elites of the oil-rich countries, cutting them in as partners in the theft of the nations' resources. Nigeria may be the worst example; there, oil-based corruption is bottomless, infinitely polluting the political and moral culture of Africa's most populous nation. But it's a cozy arrangement for the oil companies, who are even better at world-class theft than Nigerian politicians - and that is saying a lot.

Operating as a joint criminal enterprise, the multi-nationals and the Nigerian elite have plunged the country into a hell of poverty, environmental destruction, moral degeneracy and a cynicism so deep it may take generations for the national personality and culture to recover.
"It's what Venezuela does with the money that bothers Uncle Sam."

Back to Venezuela. Hugo Chavez's democratically elected government has used the nation's oil riches to fund vastly expanded social services and to launch a continent-wide project for the independence of South America - from the United States. Rather than the masses of people becoming immiserated by the presence of oil under their land - as in Nigeria - ordinary Venezuelans are enriched and liberated, and the nation regains its dignity. That's why the United States pretends that Venezuela's nationalization of oil is something close to an act of war, but has no problem with Nigeria's national oil company, or with the Saudi Arabian Royal Family's treatment of that country's oil as it's own private property.


blackagendareport.com - Oil Means Thievery in Nigeria, Royal Dictatorship in Saudi Arabia – but Dignity in Venezuela
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