Economy at 60-year low, says Darling. And it will get worse | Politics | The Guardian

Now, I know that quite a bit of this is Britian focused, especally the bit on party politics, but the economic warning rings true for both the US and the UK as we're so intertwined economically-if hes right this could be very bad indeed.

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Sure but its about time. We used to have recessions all the time.

Yeah, but Keynes almost managed to break the cycle-sadly its the price of free-market economics.

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No it isn't! Its the fact that Darling's boss was the former treasury head. And now that Brown is close to galvanising a revolution in the country against him he needs a fall guy to take the rap. And the hillarity of it all is that the one person likely to stop Miliband from suceeding Brown as the leader of the party, is, you guessed it, Darling!

Wrong, hes going to stick with Darling as he cant distance himself from these comments. Cos its the truth.

Northern Rock almost saw Darling go west, Brown himself is done anyway, its only a matter of time before he either resigns or is ousted by the party.

Thats just too tabloid a judgement.

For one, Northern Rock was a good move by the party as they were seen to be doing something.

Brown wont resign, nor will he be ousted. There's just not enough groundswell for that.

Are you kidding? You think Brown is gonna lead the party in the next general election and win??

No he'll not win. He'll lead the party however. Itll be a conservative win by a sliver.

Sliver? Looks more like a landslide, unless he cedes power.

That's the whole point, if Hain, Straw etc all know their life's work is going down the drain they'll pull the rug out from under him and help Miliband get in.

yeah, your words sounds like a re run of the last time.

Trouble is this time labour are out of ideas, while the conservatives dont look like a gov in waiting.

There;s little enthusiasm for the cons, they dont offer any new vision like labour did.

What??? You think the Torries had any faith that Howard was gonna beat Blair???

This time round the Torries hve smashed Labor in every council election and mayoral election going.

Heck its even worse than that, its just total dis-satisfaction with Labor, look at safe havens like your nexk of the woods where devolution meant the SNP winning seats!

I mean come on!! Heck if Brown doesn't quit in the next few months or by the end of this year at the latest he'll be such an albotross whomever suceeds him will be the PM, at least, for the time before the next General. Time to kick the Scots out of Whitehall by the looks of it in your land.

Sorry mate, but Labour are going down big time. If there was an elction tomorrow I'd predict a 100 seat loss, at least. It reminds me of Major in 1995 except economically we're in a far worse situation (though Labour are a bit more unified fortuntly). The real problem Labour have is that, unlike the cons in 1995, they've alienated there base and will struggle to hold onto Scotland and areas of Wales. Its going to be a bad loss IMO.

That said I don't see Brown being ousted, theres no motive for Miliband. Labour are going to lose this one, and he dosn't want his leadership tainted so early on.

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There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare. - Art of War, Sun-Tzu, Chapter 2, Paragraph 6

"An eye for an eye makes everyone blind"-Gandi

But Otoh, does he want to be the leader of the opposition of what could be a faily popular Torrie government? This way at least he could be PM and then if they lose in 09 or 10 then he could blame it on Brown.

Also i'm not sure that they are so unified, they're already circling the wagons trying to figure who it is who should tell Brown that he needs to go if things don't pick and change in the polls by October or so.

They're no huge aplit a la Europe in 1995, and Miliband appears to have backed off becoming a 'redwood' style challanger.

That last stratagy makes sense with a snap election-which is what there would have to be if he came in as his mandate would be gone.

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I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. - Voltaire

There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare. - Art of War, Sun-Tzu, Chapter 2, Paragraph 6

"An eye for an eye makes everyone blind"-Gandi