Yes of course. When everyone turns five, they have the option of moving to any country they want, and are given the thousands of dollars that would take! You are right, i forgot.

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"Mrs. Palin, which specific journals and news sources do you read? (after being asked once)"

"Oh, All of them!"

I don't see how being the most successful and most comfortable members of society equats to punishment. not following you here.
Spare the mythology. Have you been following this large corporate bailouts? You don't think large aspects of the government are designed to protect the larger interests of capitalism?
No, i am not talking about emergency situations. I am talking about the stable, safe environment that government provides for capitalism on a daily basis, which is a higher priority than providing individual security to the masses.

well, america would be a terrible place if this was policy. And would probably not function well at all.

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"Mrs. Palin, which specific journals and news sources do you read? (after being asked once)"

"Oh, All of them!"

Because of the comfortable lives they live, the mc mansions, the fancy cars, the restaurants of choice, etc. You are looking at "who benefits more from the tax situation." I am looking at "who benefits more from the entire capitalist system of america"
Look at the lives of some, look at the lives of others. Can you honestly not say someone in a west coast mc mansion benefits more from the economy than a single mom in a trailer???

Everyone is part of the same system, modern american capitalism. Yes, you owe a bit to the folks you have left behind in your pursuit of selfishness.
You have no idea about her circumstances and how she got there.

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"Mrs. Palin, which specific journals and news sources do you read? (after being asked once)"

"Oh, All of them!"

well, the only rich man i have ever seen on a construction site was not carrying tools. lets put it that way.

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"Mrs. Palin, which specific journals and news sources do you read? (after being asked once)"

"Oh, All of them!"

Which is the way it should be, they're the ones who get the worst deal from capitalism after all. And BTW they often don't have a choice not to live here-moving house isn't cheap you know, and moving to another country is even harder.

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It truly frightens me to think there are people in this country who think as you do. Comfortable lives? Mc Mansions? Do you understand the difference between a multi-million dollar salary and a family bringing in 160K? Do you understand that they are both being punished the same via taxes, mainly, because people like YOU in this country feel that they owe you something?

Again, where in the Constitution of the United States does it state that all Americans are to be equal? The government's only job is to ensure equal opportunity - what you do with that opportunity is your problem. I support a government that uses my money to help that family, even though I owe her nothing. All I ask is that she does not blame me for her problems!

Selfishness? A man who worked full-time blue collar jobs all the way through college to support myself, and then as many hours as possible after college to pay off my school loans, and build up enough equity to qualify for a business loan. A man who was finally able to start that business at 33, and two years later took my first vacation EVER - stepping on an airplane for the first time in my life. A man who now watches 50% of every dollar profit be confiscated by the city, state, and federal government agencies - that is selfish to you?

I see things differently. I see parents who bring children into this world while not having a stable relationship as selfish. Without any care for the stress and turmoil they have forced upon these children, because it is fun, they continue bringing more into the 'single mother' world. I could have made some babies as well, and then bitched and whined about how the children were getting in the way of my dreams. But I was responsible, I believe children are more deserving of their parents time than any career goals. No, I am not the selfish one. Just like most of your opinions, this one is completely backward.

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NOthing more to contribute then?

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Mexicans do it everyday. Homeless somehow move all the time with no money. Youre just making excuses. And the poor get the best deal from capitalism. They contribute nothing to very little and get a lot back.

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Elminate all taxes on income and replace with a national sales tax.

This has got to be the most absurd statement I've seen in weeks.

If they were getting a good deal, they wouldn't be poor. DUH! Or are you one of those silly people who labors under the delusion that anyone and everyone can make it in the system we have?

The system mandates a certain percentage of losers. It may be the fault of the losers (or of their genes and upbringing) that they occupy those slots rather than someone else. It is certainly not their fault that the slots exist and that someone occupies them.

Why don't you compare poor people under capitalism to poor people under socialism, theocracy, dictatorship, or any other system you can find in this world. Why don't you compare poor people in the US to poor people ANYWHERE else in the world. Only here, do 'poor' people own vehicles, cellular phones, home computers, etc, etc.

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Because that's not what I said. Being successful and comfortable is not, in and of itself, punishing. However, the rich are taxes more. So, I am asking, why not punish those who "benefit" more from education.Perhaps they are, but I oppose corporate welfare, as well. However, generally speaking, government money goes to those who fail.Once again, I doubt the rich rely on police more than than the poor do. If there were no police, who do you think would have the money to hire private mercenaries and bodyguards to maintain their stability? Furthermore, I ask again, if "benefiting more" from the stability means you should be taxed more, why not tax successful students more?What would be so terrible about it? People would be forced to rely on their own saving methods, which would likely be more efficient since you would not lose money that goes to those who administrate the social security. American citizens will be more able to compete with illegals who get paid below the min. wage under the table. Why do hospitals need government funds, anyway?

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All right. As a matter of fact, the poor do better under socialism. That's not enough by itself to endorse socialism over a mixed economy such as we have, but you did bring it up.

In any case, how well the poor do here or there or elsewhere has no bearing on the question of what was said, which was saying, not that our poor get a better deal than other people's poor, but that they get a better deal than our rich.

Which is ridiculous.

No, i feel that they owe the system something. You are making it sound like bringing in 160K is a terrible life. I work with people on a daily basis that would have no idea what to do with that money, but work the same hours at a job that somebody has to do for this entire system to work.
It says that nowhere, and i have said that nowhere.
Equal opportunity is just as much a joke as true equality. its about reducing the gaps.
i doubt she does. but you seem to be willing to assume she does.

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"Mrs. Palin, which specific journals and news sources do you read? (after being asked once)"

"Oh, All of them!"

It is much easier to quanitify objectively who is benefiting more from the capitalist system through looking at income. In education, straight A's do not exactly lead to material success, as that is what the issue we are discussing is.
I never said they rely on security any more than the poor. I said they benefit more from the general security provided by government and that government prioritizes a secure environment for business over a secure environment for people. There just happens to be some overlap there.

You are assuming that all people are capable of saving money, and that they make enough to do so. If that were true, do you think the government would have ever created SS?

LOL. To function!!! Just like it is a myth that colleges are paid for by only tuition, it is a myth that hospitals function solely from pateint pay.
Government subsidizes hospitals for the benefit of the people. Just like the subsidize education. Imagine tuition costs without it! That would restrict millions from college who are not already restricted by financial means.

Oh, and what are your thoughts on agricultural subsidies? More interference with the free market, i assume?

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"Mrs. Palin, which specific journals and news sources do you read? (after being asked once)"

"Oh, All of them!"

I have to say if thats true it worrys me, its why you have a gradiated income tax for one thing: being on 160K a year is middle class IMO, over £200,000 a year (about $400,000) is 'rich' to me.

I partly agree, but I would add that the government has to also provide minimum human rights, protect the country and provide a minimum standard of living.

Depends, thats not really enough info IMO. But anyways, I don't know how much you earn but if you over $1,000,000 then 50% is about right-it should be the maximum income tax band. (i'd have a few more gradiations, but thats basically about right.