I think the average American has the notion that the rich have always been rich, and that they are the priviliged few because of some phenominal happening. Guess what? The rich ones in America are rich because they worked for it, or they are into illegal operations. A lot of democratic left wing nonsense has said that the rich are rich because they inherited it or they somehow were lucky with the stock market as such. That could be true, but it has to be maintained. The bleeding heart liberals would want you to think that everyone should have the same life style, and that everyone should have to pay for that. Wrong. In the United States, you make your own living and decide for yourself just how successful you can be. That means that the industrious people will be rich and the dumb asses will be poor. Plain and simple. The United States is not a socialistic state as the Democrat liberal/socialist party would like for us to be.
Rich Work More than the ‘Working Class’

Why do you think the average American thinks that?False dichotomy.Inconsistent with your original statement.Please point out which people said that and when.Dumb asses? Oh, sweet, sweet delicious irony.

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Yes, almost all of the rich do work hard. You'll get no argument from me.

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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them; speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition

Obviously, all you want to do is cantor. Please come up with some more difinitive retort than this if you wish to challenge my statements. All you are doing is challenging and not contributing to the discussion.

what? soooo...challenging a persons position/opinion is not discussing?

I know how hard my brother has worked to become rich. We certainly didn't have that silver spoon but he's earned every penny and owes only to God for the gifts of smarts, energy and vision he was blessed with.

I'm blessed to have two older brothers who, along with my parents, are my biggest heroes.

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Hope is the opposite of audacity. It's passive, an excuse for inaction.

Socialism doesn't create a rising tide that lifts all boats. It drains the lake and teaches the boat riders not to help themselves by rowing.

“What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?”

“One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

“The other kills her own food.”

I'm sorry, I thought that by pointing out the fundamental logic and structural flaws in your argument, you'd see that I was disagreeing with you, and that I do not accept your premise(s) or even consider them valid, based on what I already pointed out.

I don't think I can be much clearer than that.

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OK, my statement is that rich folks don't always inherit their riches, therefore they have to work for it. And, that there is a perception that rich folks have always been rich. And, there is a perception, especially among our Democratic congressmen and Obama, that the very rich should be taxed at a higher rate than the average wage earner. I am for a flat tax. I am not going to research with internet proof that my statements about what I have said are true. I am an old fucker, and know these to be true from years and years of reading and observing.

ahhh...so no one can argue with you, they must simply agree with you and confine their post to addendum on your statements?

This isn't a blog site, it is a discussion/debate forum where people discuss and (here's the part you might be missing)...debate.

I've seen it quoted often across the interwebs that there have been far more millionaires created out of non-millionaire families over the [past couple decades than ever before. Part of that was dot.com and the rest was the Bush tax cuts. Shouldn't be all that hard to google up and my annecdotal personal experience (not me exactly but people I know) would back this up.

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Hope is the opposite of audacity. It's passive, an excuse for inaction.

Socialism doesn't create a rising tide that lifts all boats. It drains the lake and teaches the boat riders not to help themselves by rowing.

“What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?”

“One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

“The other kills her own food.”

No, of course not. If my own critique is flawed, I fully expect to hear criticism and restructure my position as a result.

My point was, in certain cases, some arguments are so flawed as to be DOA. I am fully aware of that.

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While we do not agree on fundamentals, I, too, am for a flat tax, with certain reservations.

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um...I was posting to Roaring not you...heh.

Sorry, I was dealing with ahem, certain individuals in other threads, and was distracted.

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I happen to agree with you that that perception of the rich is vocalized by some politicians. I don't understand how one could have that perception. Based on those who try to vilify the rich, I suspect they do so not because they truly believe what they say in general about the rich, rather they believe that type of rhetoric will please their constituency and lock in votes for their relelction when their term is up. And, if it is a blogger, left wing pundit, or other mouthpiece for the left, if they don't believe that the rich don't work hard, they vocalize it to assist their favorite politicians

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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them; speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition