Should be an interesting side issue..

You forgot the option of blaming George Bush...

You also forgot to option of 'global warming.'

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And "Zionist controlled media"

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The American people who told their senators (at least the ones who would listen) that they did not approve.

Before that, those damn stockholders who would not risk just walking away from their investment and allow management to say no to the unions when they SHOULD have said no. I realize they thought they had no choice at the time but look at the predictable result...

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Ayn Rand

How about "all of the above," and also:

1, Stupid inbred arrogance on the part of U.S. automakers that got them in this fix to begin with; and

2. The entire edifice of supply-side economics that put the entire economy in the fix it's in, with the carmaker meltdown being only part of the picture?

I'm not even sure yet whether it's a matter of blame or credit. I believe the republicans killed this because they see it as an opportunity to harm unions. But even though I disagree with their motive and find it comical that they've suddenly developed scruples about throwing away our money, I never was sure that handing over the money was a good idea.

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The people whose "fault" it is that the "auto deal" or as I call it the bridge loan to knowhere, are the average American citizens who had enough common sense to call their senators and congressmen and raised hell about this potential ripoff of the American taxpayer. Sure you had some Republicans that used it as an opportunity to scapegoat unions, but if we the people remained silent then we would have been robbed again. The fight is not over, we need to keep demanding that our money as taxpayers not be stolen as part of more sweet heart deals to reward corporate corruption and incompetence under the guise of avoiding financial ruin.

I hate polls like this because there is no real way of knowing under what circumstances it would have passed. Giving an answer would be pure speculation and nothing more.

Damn Republicans!

I think the Dems are the ones trying to 'Help' the Unions.

It's more 'that' then the Republicans trying to hurt them.

The Repugs are just doing what they're supposed to.

Also it seems the vote wasn't strictly along partisan lines.

Harry Reid voted no, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, and Joe Biden didn't vote.

10 Repugs voted yes to include Arlon Spector, Dick Lugar, and Elizabeth Dole.


If all of the Dems who voted no and didn't vote had voted yes it would have passed.

Yeah is was only the Republicans trying to hurt the Unions.

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All of the above would have been my choice.

The blame lies with grasping and greedy auto management and unions.
GM should have gone into Chapter 11 one year aqo but thought it was too big. Now the unions will not negotiate on pay and pensions so I presume Bush will give the big 3 $14 billion and leave the Dems to sort out the next need for money before March 09
GM should go into Ch 11 as should Chrysler.
The US Govt should invest in transport 21st century like the Chinese "byd" company is doing.

It is of no surprise to me that most people are not sympathetic to the UAW's "side".
Many people have lost their jobs, many people have taken pay cuts, cuts in benefits and reduced hours...anyone in that position will not sympathize with folks making $30 an hour and refuse to take a cut that is less than $1.00 and hour.

As a side note it is fascinating to me to hear the big 3 execs warning about job loss....as if they really care about that - it is these very same execs who closed plants down and moved them to Mexico and S. America...same execs who closed down lines to out source parts to non-union $9 per hour "mini-factories" - same execs who shut down lines to instead import parts from Korea, Japan and China.

Oh, there are plenty of people who make more than $30.00 an hour who won't sympathize with them, either...

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