Where did I say we invented democracy. We didn't. But historically all democracies have failed. It will fail here also. Where do you think WE are on this timeline?

A warning ... circa 1787 re the fall of the Athenian Republic:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money (generous gifts) from the public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilization has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through this sequence.

From bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance,
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to complacency,
from complacency to apathy,
from apathy to dependency,
from dependence back into bondage."

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we're edging from apathy to dependency, may be talking a giant step really soon.

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Socialism doesn't create a rising tide that lifts all boats. It drains the lake and teaches the boat riders not to help themselves by rowing.

Jesus loves you, allah wants you dead

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

I'm sure that the democratic nations that have existed for quite a long time would disagree with the above. Perhaps Greece? Iceland - their Parliament has existed since around 930, Britain - they've had a substantial chunk of history as a democratic nation. None have ceased to exist.

Seems to me, that instead of just regurgitating other peoples thoughts, you might want to learn to think for yourself and develop your own ideas.

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Great Quotes from Great Americans:

"With regard to the words 'general welfare', I have always regarded them as qualified by the details of the powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphisis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators."James Madison, Father of the Constitution

You think we came here because Britain was a democracy? You simply aren't looking at the big picture. Besides dear, I was having ideas of my own when you were nothing more than a twinkle in your mother's eye.

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We are definitely on this time line. I doubt our economic probelms was cause us to cease to exist as a nation. But we will be different. We already are different than we were when I was a girl. I don't think until recent years, I could see a clear socialist agenda in one of our political parties. That is troublesome because like many changes, it is very difficult to see when the change occurred. And both parties seem to be working hand in hand to abolish many of our freedoms. I am not looking for the knock at the door yet, but you can bet your bootie that I am careful what I say in public of late.

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I guess if you measure strength by the size of your portfolio, you'd be correct. That's not how I measure it.

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Month 3 of the New Iraq Occupation. Troop draw down zero.

http://www.wimp.com/thegovernment/

Some may be difficult to see without perspective, others were smack in the face obvious. Lincoln started it, FDR was a full out smack then LBJ and we'll see what BHO is allowed to do.

I think we should be able to hold off bondage under the O but maybe not.

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Socialism doesn't create a rising tide that lifts all boats. It drains the lake and teaches the boat riders not to help themselves by rowing.

Jesus loves you, allah wants you dead

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

bench press ?
control of chi ?

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Socialism doesn't create a rising tide that lifts all boats. It drains the lake and teaches the boat riders not to help themselves by rowing.

Jesus loves you, allah wants you dead

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

I am hoping that part will be at bay until my children are gone from the earth. But the more money we borrow from China, the less likely that will be. I kinda have this image of someone going door to door collecting our gold wedding rings.

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I tell you what. Go hang out at Huddle House (open 24 hours) at 3:00 a.m. after fraternity parties, the bull blow out, or freedom fest in July and tell me what you think then. I'm not sure which crowd is worse the drunk college students or the locals after the tractor pull but it certainly doesn't say much for this town. I do like Murray and think there are plenty of wonderful people as well but it doesn't have a shortage of idiots. That really goes for anywhere though.

Maddof has what? Billions of other peoples money? Oops not anymore.

Survivability. When the power goes out I win.

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Month 3 of the New Iraq Occupation. Troop draw down zero.

http://www.wimp.com/thegovernment/

I lived on campus my last year in school there. It was pretty tame. I few drunk college kids are small change. And you don't have to go to the tractor pulls if you don't like it, but west KY IS, after all an agricultural area. There's lotts a culture in bigger cities, but you've got more than a few drunk college kids. You've got the hard core drug addicts, derelects, and homeless ready to slit your throad for a dime bag of something. You seriously need to move away for a while or try and figure a way to get in with the local intelligentsia. And in a college town there is plenty of that.

When it comes to social problems, this area has very few. I've lived around and I can tell you what you have to deal with here is mild compared to major cities.

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I think Guy is a little closer to the mark with his light go out than collecting gold when we default on our debt.

We'll see what we are left as a nation these next 4 years. We can either buck up and say "no more" or its Katie bar the door. I'd buy ammunition now before the taxes go up. Just in case.

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Socialism doesn't create a rising tide that lifts all boats. It drains the lake and teaches the boat riders not to help themselves by rowing.

Jesus loves you, allah wants you dead

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

I have no doubt. I think there are problems here but they are not the same ones. In big cities you have more gang activity and such but here meth is a pretty big problem in many circles. I have a good friend that's a social worker in Marshall County and it's amazing how busy it keeps her and the horror stories are unbelievable.

I wasn't picking on tractor pulls themselves but I was talking about some people that go to them that then go out and make asses out of themselves. I actually did go to one for extra credit in high school and it didn't bother me although I wouldn't say I enjoyed it.

I have bought Christmas stuff at 75% off for the same reason. I figure next year we may not be able to get it or it will be high. Anyway, ammo is next. I also plan on stocking up on a few things. I have friends in the military and they have been recommending that for a while.

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