I have no idea what you meant in your first paragraph and would appreciate a translation. The second paragraph is clearer but somewhat peripheral.

The capitalist system as it exists in this country grows from three roots:

1) The old European system of hereditary privilege which gave the titled nobility privileged control over the emerging industrial economy, and set the pattern of exploitation;

2) The struggle between the titled nobility and the emerging commercial-entrepreneurial class, who eventually displaced them; and

3) The labor wars which, in the U.S., began in earnest after the Civil War and culminated in the reforms of the Great Depression.

There's a lot of crap in the system that comes from one or more of these roots. The whole system of incorporation, in which a corporation is granted the same rights as a person; the further institution of the publicly traded corporation which allows a business to grow to humongous size; the laws and regulations that are still in place favoring the consolidation of wealth -- it all amounts to a gimicked economy set up to allow a few people to amass huge fortunes and make it as difficult as possible for most people to support themselves independently.

At the time of the Civil War, the majority of adult men in this country didn't hold jobs. They were either small independent farmers, or small independent craftspersons or merchants. A young man might take a "job" working for someone else early in life, until he managed to save enough to buy a farm of his own, or finished his apprenticeship and hung out his own shingle. For almost all of us, that is no longer a possibility. Starting your own business hasn't become literally impossible today, but it's become difficult and expensive enough that very few people manage to do it; for most of us, it's necessary to serve the interests and profits of others in order to survive. That is, I believe, by design. It maximizes the ability of the privileged to skim profits off the labor of other people. The reforms of the 1930s and later aimed to make life better for working people and to a degree succeeded, but really all they managed to give us is a more comfortable servitude, not freedom.

It doesn't have to be set up this way. There isn't anything "natural" or "free market" about American capitalism. It's all honeycombed and propped up with laws and regulations, and has been from the beginning. Big business funds and to an extent manufactures objections to "regulation" but mostly that means the newer, New Deal-era regulations on behalf of working people and consumers, while the older laws and regulations that work the other direction and generate the economic system that we have are taken for granted, we are so accustomed to them they are invisible.

A person is, first and foremost, a person, existing for himself or herself. To call him a "resource" is to reduce him to something that exists for the purposes of others.

Which is, of course, the essence of capitalism.

Right.

So what's the problem?

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Science flies you to the moon.

Religion flies you into buildings.

Yeah - pretty much.
Please define "fairness".

Is it fair to the person providing a good or service to only provide them at cost? How does he manage to earn money with which to obtain the goods and services he requires? How does he get compensated for his time?
First off, money is not filthy. Really - im getting tired of that.

Goodwill? Goodwill doesnt put food on my table.

Good kharma? See above.

The goddess? I dont follow your religious beliefs, and frankly i dont much give a fuck what you perceive as beneficial.

Sense of satisfaction? Again, this doesnt put food on my table.
Doesnt sound like it to me.
Good for you. Glad that makes you feel better.
That is your opinion. Do not expect others to share it.
Why is it that when someone expects to be compensated for his services you consider him a greedy asshole?
Again - YOUR CHOICE.
I really cannot go on speaking to you about this. It rather turns my stomach. I'm not a greedy asshole or filthy scum because I expect to be paid for the work I perform.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Silence is golden...Duct tape is silver.

TSG probably thinks that it violates some mythical and lofty humanistic code.

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"Freelance oddjobber" means "Unable to hold down a real job".
Yeah, so?
You deserve NOTHING.

You are owed NOTHING.

Respect is earned, dignity comes from yourself and "fair treatment" is purely subjective.
Wow - so a company deserves to fail if it does not think as you do?

And you wonder why you're a "freelance oddjobber"...

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Silence is golden...Duct tape is silver.

Interesting how the "roots" of what exists today begins not more than 300 years ago. Let's just forget the fact that humans have been trading with each other since before recorded history.
LOL! I'm guessing those independent farmers and independent craftspersons would disagree that they didn't hold jobs.
Over one million every year. Yea, sounds nearly impossible. But I suppose we should demonize these courageous millions for investing their own time, treasure, and talent to provide jobs for virtually all new jobs.
A) Then stop writing about capitalism as if the problems we have now are endemic to it.
B) Doesn't seem to me that the solution to a system bastardized by regulation is more regulation.
Careful. You're going to get your card revoked.

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I was now getting..., one dollar and fifty cents per day.... I earned it...; it was rightfully my own; yet, upon each returning Saturday night, I was compelled to deliver every cent of that money to Master Hugh. And why? Not because he earned it..., nor because he possessed the slightest shadow of a right to it; but solely because he had the power to compel me to give it up. - Frederick Douglass, Narrative of the Life of Fredrick Douglass

TSG argued that the system is founded upon regulation, and history agrees. Read a book that responsibly discusses the economic policies of the first american administration.

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All I know is that capitalism has worked out pretty fuckin' well for me.

I highly recommend it...

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Science flies you to the moon.

Religion flies you into buildings.

Me too - but i guess we're just greedy filthy capitalists

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Silence is golden...Duct tape is silver.

What system? The one we currently have? Every economy is based upon the simple fact that one person cannot possibly provide all his own wants and needs; he must get some of his wants and needs from others. He can either treat those others as human beings who also have wants and needs, see if he can satisfy those wants and needs, then provide those wants or needs in trade for his own wants and needs. Or, he can treat those others as if they owe him his wants and needs - as if they owe him something he has no desire, or ability, to earn.

The former is capitalism, the latter is socialism/communism. Me putting a gun to your head, or getting my powerful friends to put a gun to your head, and telling you to give me X-want, or Y-Need isn't capitalism. It's assault and theft - or the politically correct terms, "socialism/communism."

To say "the system is founded upon regulation" is like arguing walking is founded upon sidewalks. Not only is there a tenuous relationship between the two, but the former precedes the latter by tens of thousands of years.

I suggest you find a dictionary that responsibly discusses the meaning of the words: "founded," and "capitalism."

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I was now getting..., one dollar and fifty cents per day.... I earned it...; it was rightfully my own; yet, upon each returning Saturday night, I was compelled to deliver every cent of that money to Master Hugh. And why? Not because he earned it..., nor because he possessed the slightest shadow of a right to it; but solely because he had the power to compel me to give it up. - Frederick Douglass, Narrative of the Life of Fredrick Douglass

umm, not really, but sure.
i suggest you research the founding of the american state. as in, read the work of a scholar, rather than repeat the myths you were taught in high school as a form of state programming.

you are understanding captitalism on the laura ingram/ anne coulter level. not exactly a reality based approach.

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Be a person all you want, but if you want to eat and have shelter then you will agree to trade your time and expertise for money and volunteer to be a resource to someone else.

Unless you wish to envision your own business in which case you will seek out the resources you need to operate that business. Even then you are a resource to the busniess.

Of course its the essense of capitalism, or any other ism you care to trot out.

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Socialism doesn't create a rising tide that lifts all boats. It drains the lake and teaches the boat riders not to help themselves by rowing.

Jesus loves you, allah wants you dead

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

Wow, you sure got me. Man, how could I ever hope to counter such a cogent and well reasoned argument so filled with facts and data?

Turn the page in your talking points manual. These are getting old.

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I was now getting..., one dollar and fifty cents per day.... I earned it...; it was rightfully my own; yet, upon each returning Saturday night, I was compelled to deliver every cent of that money to Master Hugh. And why? Not because he earned it..., nor because he possessed the slightest shadow of a right to it; but solely because he had the power to compel me to give it up. - Frederick Douglass, Narrative of the Life of Fredrick Douglass

what else would you expect in response to a wickedly simplistic false dichotomy that barely even sounds reasonable, much less checks out?

if you want data, spare the dogma.

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