Fuck yes.

If I want to go to a doctor now it costs $200 and that is for a simple checkup, blood pressure, etc w/no complicated tests If I go to a hospital it will cost at LEAST $500 and that's if I get an ASPIRIN, nothing more.

I stayed in a hospital for 3 days with pneumonia. No surgery, a few tests and some inhalers. It cost over $8000.00

No government service I can think of would cost even a quarter as much. Hell, no private enterprise service, except maybe being legally defended on a murder charge or something.

Let me ask you why do you think it cannot? Besides cherry picked examples and/or from other fields besides health care do you have any overall statistics or figures which back up your apparent assertion that private enterprise is more efficient than government in this area?

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Not really.

That military insured that the peace that was won remained stable. This stabily to allowing the recovery across the battleground nations that was the real magic of the American boom, we sold them whaqt they needed to recover. The Marshall Plan was an example of infrastructure that helps. The Porkulus is an example of one that oes not. Real work, rebuilding as opposed to make work, pays dividends.


make work

It was self sustaining because it was necessary as opposed to being nice to have.

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Jesus loves you, allah wants you dead

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

Insurance doesn't help much either. We pay in excess of $700 a month. Had a minor medical ermengency, spent 1 nite in the hospital, bill is over 4 thousand. Another thousand plus in follow up. Can't have needed surgery now because copays and deductables add up to over $2500, and they want that money up front. With normal medication that I take and my wife's normal Dr visits puts around 7K for one 12 month period.

I was born in 1951 and was raised in rural Louisiana, my mother nor any other young mothers around us worked. Almost none of my friends in school had working moms. Yet, on my dad's income as a union carpentar, we were able to live on 5 acres in a 1800 square foot house. My point, there was a much higher union membership then and skilled labor was valued. The economic deferences from the WW2 years and aftermath are considerable. Let's we forget every president from FDR through Nixon was a Keynesian. The only time in our history w/as much prosperity was the short lived prosperity in the Clinton years.

Anyone here want to go to a military hospital or VA to get health care?
They are governement run after all how could they not be great ?

I'm not sure if I understand you. If you could detail a specific complaint with examples, instead of using buzzwords and catchphrases...

In the same manner that the government builds roads better then the private sector. They decide to build a road, raise the money, and then hire a firm to actually build the thing.

A single payer plan makes sense for a variety of reasons, including the issue of general public access to healthcare has significant positive externalities, the issue with emergency care disposing a private system to massive inefficiencies, and many more. Further note that most plans do not call for the government to run anything except the financing of treatment, not the hospitals themselves, nor the doctors offices, etc.

Further consider that a private health care company needs to assume risk in a manner which the government does not. While a small insurance company needs to risk cancer clusters and issues with not having a truly random sample size, the US government would encompass a sample size large enough to smooth all but the most widespread effects. While large insurance companies need to shield themselves against this the government does not.

Also consider the massive distortions introduced into the market where smaller firms are less able to compete by virtue of their smaller employee base and higher health care premiums. This will in turn make them less appealing to employees. At the same time there is a risk faced by all employees of losing their healthcare should they change jobs, this makes them sufficiently paranoid to avoid doing it. This makes the employment market less competitive and less mobile which is bad for both employees and employers. Employees aren't able to switch to jobs which better suit/pay/compensate them, and employers have greater difficulty attracting the employees they want, rather then the employees they have.

The government generally should pursue as competitive of a market place as possible but this could mean a national health care would be a viable means to remove the far worse consequences on competitiveness for the absence thereof.

Skilled labor still is valued. A person who graduates today with a welding ticket will be in greater demand then a person who graduates with a B.Sc. and they'll likely be paid better too. Only a handful of university degrees pay as well, as quickly as certification in the right trades does. As for union membership? Many unions are killing themselves off through their own poor strategies and idiotic practices.

This is true and also WWII happend during FDR last term who prolonged the great deppression with all that foolish and misguided government spending. When he went away so did the his failed socialist idealology.

I'm not making complaints, I'm explaining the differences.





you offer no proof that the government builds roads better and actually point out that they do not build them at all.


So fix the problem, open Medicaid to well care.


Insurance companies already spread their risk.

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Jesus loves you, allah wants you dead

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

Okay but in this case we're selling ourselves what we need to recover because we have an economic failure, not five years of war.

This is not a difference, this is a claim. Which is well and fine, but you need to actually elaborate with information how specifically they differ in ways which you believe make them less effective.

This is just empty sloganeering. How does the construction of power plants and electric infrastructure not qualify as 'real work'.

Okay...

There is limited private incentive to construct sufficient roads, if one person constructs a road it benefits a significantly larger group of people then just him, even after tolls and everything else is taken into consideration, further it benefits people who don't even use the road system because its benefits spill over. These benefits cannot be captured by any single firm, therefore the government has to invest money to build the roads or else they wouldn't be constructed anywhere close to what meets demand.

Even though the government hires private firms to handle the actual construction, the government is still 'building the road' because they're the ones spending the money. Similarly government healthcare pays the bill, it doesn't manage the hospitals or run your local doctors office.

We can do far better then medicaid.

Not to the degree the government can, as I said they face issues of a non-random sample predisposing them to get spikes, in order to level this out they invest the money but this exposes them to risk and requires additional staff. Further because they cannot spread their risk sufficiently, they've had to sell derivatives of their investment, then those derivatives get mingled with other derivatives, repackaged as triple AAA and what do you know it, we've opened ourselves to this recession.

Flowers in a park or new tarmac on a little used airstrip is nice but rebuilding a destroyed bridge across a major river is necessary.


Nobody is doing that. Besides. thats a private venture.



govt roads are a reasonably new invention.



and far worse


Learn about the insurance biz. not picking on you, most people have little idea how it works.

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Jesus loves you, allah wants you dead

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

I'll tell you how it worked for me once.

When I was 19, I rear-ended someone making a left turn at a light, after they slammed on their brakes mid turn. I shouldn't have hit them, but I was inexperienced and didn't think people would slam on their brakes half way through initiating a turn.

My insurance company paid the claim, and then canceled my policy.

That was over 20 years ago, maybe things have changed.

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-Thomas Jefferson

Happens a lot to kids for obvious reasons. They know that a certain percentage will learn from these things and a much larger percentage will not.

In that respect, getting cancelled is actually a good way to reinforce the learning opportunity. These companies are not your Dad, they do not have to love and forgive you.

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Socialism doesn't create a rising tide that lifts all boats. It drains the lake and teaches the boat riders not to help themselves by rowing.

Jesus loves you, allah wants you dead

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

Roads and bridges are the same as war planes and ships. They are a nescersary evil but they take money out of the pocket of tax payers and worste of all you can't sell a bridge and pay back investors. Infestructure just takes money but you get nothing in return. Building roads and bridges just to put people to work is stupid because for every job you create you are probably putting somone else out of work and the the job is only temporary.

I do. He's right.