So Obama has this idea...."hey I'll make health insurance manditory and that way everyone will have health insurance" Ok as rediculous as that is, if it becomes law it will have to be inforced somehow. So what if I don't want any health insurance and just say to hell with it. Does Obama have me arrested, put a tax lean on my house or garnish my wages or what? One thing I do know is that mandated health insurance is going to be ungodly expensive and no it ain't going to be free like everybody thinks it is. At least not for people who are willing to work cause we will be paying the insurance bill for the fucking lay abouts. Oh the govenement will provide it but the government is going to charge and eventually it will outlaw private insurance so that it has a monopoly. Or at least make is so fucking hard on private insurance companies that they just go away.

You'd probably have to pay up via your taxes. You don't get to decide what you want to pay for and what you don't based on morals. If people got to decided that by themselves, my bet is that there would be no infrastructure whatsoever.

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It will start with fines. Civil disobedience won't be an option for most of us because of the withholding system (convenient, eh?). But of course, that won't herd in everyone. Recognizing that, they'll follow the same course as the mandatory auto insurance campaign and establish criminal penalties. People will go to jail over this - either for refusing to pay the fine or for evading their insurance company overlords.

I just wish I could afford enough lobbyists to force everyone to buy shit from me.

Question: Do you object to paying for the military through taxes? Or is it solely due to the subject of the taxation, that you object?

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"It's no exaggeration to say that the undecideds could go one way or another." - George W. Bush

What does this issue have to with taxation?

I'm just guessing that's how it is going to be financed, unless you believe that special forces will be send out during the night to grab people from their bed...

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"It's no exaggeration to say that the undecideds could go one way or another." - George W. Bush

The way it works in Massachusetts is that your insurance company sends you a certificate, and there is a place on your state tax return where you enter the number of the certificate.
No certificate and your tax goes up a couple of hundred dollars.
So you either pay your taxes, or you don't, if you don't there is already a mechanism in place to deal with you.

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“ The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.”

Adam Smith , The Wealth of Nations 1776

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address

Considering that the government is authorized to raise taxes to fund the military, via the Constitution, I will hazard to guess he has a problem with taxation for programs the government doesn't have the power to implement.

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Not sure if it's similar in other states, but Virginia requires you to have automobile insurance on your car at all times (unless you pay a $500 a year fee to the state, which I'm guessing people would do for cars they own but don't intend to use). Failure to do so can land you some pretty hefty fines and other penalties.

Not sure if the two are comparable, though.

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“For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.” - Carl Sagan

I suspect that people who attempt to avoid being forced to buy insurance will face something like the special forces scenario eventually.

The point is, this isn't a tax. It's forcing people to buy a product from a third party company. It's forcing people to guarantee the profits of the insurance companies. If you're saying it's a tax, then I'm asking where in the fucking constitution does it give insurance companies the right to levy taxes???

This whole thing is corporatist government at it's worst. The plan is designed to satisfy all the "major players", Insurance cos., Hospitals, Doctors, Big Pharma - at our expense. The individual mandate is a crass attempt by the Insurance lobby to maintain the status quo and keep us herded into their pens by force of law.

Insurance has created this mess. People are starting to figure this out and dropping insurance altogether in favor of alternative solutions. The insurance companies have seen this trend and are making their last ditch attempt to squeeze every last drop of blood out of a captive market. If Obama let's them, he's betrayed us every bit as much as Bush.

The individual mandate is a cruel facade that allows congress to pretend they've done something positive. All it will do is make it illegal to move away from a scheme that is a proven failure. They're committing all of us to a collapsing system.

Thats a US supreme court issue.

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Guess who?

What about students? A lot do not file tax returns and are no longer on their parents' coverage or filed as dependents by said parents.

To a certain extent, yes. It is also an issue individual citizens can, to a certain extent, take action about.

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Courage, Truth, Honor, Fidelity, Discipline, Hospitality, Industriousness, Self-Reliance, Perseverance

Sure, you can appeal to the supreme court.

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Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.

Guess who?

Or elect politicians who also oppose it, stop paying federal taxes, etc.....

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I am a liberal, a classical liberal. Classical liberalism is liberalism, but the current collectivists have captured that designation in the United States. In Europe they are glad enough to call themselves socialists. But no one in America wants to be called socialist and admit what they are.

Courage, Truth, Honor, Fidelity, Discipline, Hospitality, Industriousness, Self-Reliance, Perseverance