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Old 07-10-2009
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Some things besides energy that will cost more under cap-and-trade

Credit cards
American flags
Eyelashes
Aspirin
No-wax floors
Mailboxes
Windshield wipers
Upholstery
Uniforms
Phonographs
Floor polish
Tennis shoes
Sports car bodies
Stoppers
Straps
Venetian blinds
Shawls
Vinyl tops
Digital clocks
Draperies
Plastic wood
Stuffed animals
Car mats
Soft contact lenses
Dog leashes
Eye shadow
“Tiffany” lamps
Typewriter keys
Wire insulation
Desk organizers
Room dividers
Name tags
Flower pots
Pipes
Projection screens
Permanent-press
Clothes
Oxygen masks
Golf balls
Ink
Lighter fluid
Heart valves
Hair spray
Attache cases
Hearing aids
Welcome mats
Car sound insulation
Racks
Pacifiers
Dresses
Cassettes
Garment bags
Track shoes
Smocks
Tennis balls
Tires
Tablecloths
Measuring cups
Rulers
Ring binders
Reclining chairs
Boat covers
Ice chests
Life jackets
Audio tape
TV cabinets
Model planes
Car battery cases
Measuring tape
Insect repellent
Hockey pucks
Dice
Trash bags
Thermal blankets
Drinking straws
Afghans
Pole vaulter poles
Foam insulation
Hand lotion
Shampoo
Fake furs
T-shirts
Electric scissors
Golf bags
Skin conditioners
Photographs
Outdoor carpeting
Tool boxes
Salt shakers
Slide trays
Chop sticks
Ski boots
Food preservatives
Antihistamines
Slides
Squeeze bottles
Soil conditioners
Cortisone
Crayons
Steering wheels
Wet suits
Disposable diapers
Food wraps
Laxatives
Parachutes
Stretch pants
Trash cans
Telephones
Dominoes
Fences
Pond liners
Luggage
Kitchen counter tops
Protractors
Antifreeze
Earphones
Flashlights
Windbreakers
Tote bags
Dishwashing liquids
Unbreakable dishes
Toothbrushes
Extension cords
First-aid kits
Notebooks
Combs
Watchbands
Darts
Ice buckets
Fishing nets
Fertilizers
Hiking boots
Hair coloring
Knitting yarn
Toilet seats
Towel bars
Denture adhesive
Frisbees
Shaving cream
Aquariums
Sails
Soft bumpers
Safety glass
Erasers
Radio cases
Awnings
Knitting needles
Fan blades
Screen door screens
Sculptures
Caulking
Outboard motor housings
Tape recorders
Distributor housings
Window shades
Dog food dishes
Curtains
Dog toys
Ski poles
Vinegar
Mouthwash
Oven bags
Sedatives
Dyes
Display cases
Streamers
Paint brushes
Air filters
Rubber duckies
Brassieres
Enamel
Seed tape
Wall coverings
Transparent tape
Card tables
Acrylic paints
Antiseptics
Whistles
Motorcycle helmets
Pillows
Clothesline
Dune buggy bodies
Carpet sweepers
Antibiotics
Checkers
Chess boards
Flight bags
Toothpaste
Flea collars
Drip-dry dresses
Tents
Stadium cushions
Plastic varnish
Finger paints
Foul weather gear
Hair rollers
Light fixtures
Loudspeakers
Movie film Panties
Electronic calculators
Fishing boots
Candles
Diving masks
Hairbrushes
Wigs
Window shutters
Salad bowls
Epoxy glue
Punching bags
Model ships
Shavers
Plywood adhesive
Parkas
Lids
Pan handles
Slippers
Tennis shirts
Tent pegs
Tennis shorts
Vitamin capsules
Dashboards
Ribbons
Balloons
LP records
Vaporizers
Solvents
Razors
Dry-cleaning fluid
Waxed paper
Cigarette filters
Gloves
Golf cart bodies
Vacuum bottles
Vinyl siding
Slips
Shoe trees
Safety flares
Warm-up suits
Bearing grease
Overcoats
Ping-pong paddles
Rafts
Shower doors
Soap dishes
Yardsticks
Shorts
Syringes
Slip covers
Sugar bowls
Shoes Paddles
Decoys
Volley balls
Tobacco pouches
Foot pads
Refrigerants
Rugs
Nightgowns
Sandals
Hair curlers
Lamps
Lipstick
Laminates
Ice cube trays
Typewriter cases
Body suits
Water pipes
Pails
Car enamel
Guitar picks
Vinyl shingles
Switch plates
Shower curtains
Sponges Detergents
Beach balls
Ties
Football suits
Cameras
Shoelaces
Swizzle sticks
Piano keys
Bikinis
Bracelets
Football helmets
Anesthetics
Plungers
Artificial turf
Putty Percolators
Swings
Skis
Tool racks
Folding chairs
Charcoal lighter
Gas siphons
Robes Picture frames
Air mattresses
Petticoats
Seat covers
Roofing
Cold cream
Carbon paper
Wallets
Bedspreads
Patio screens
Darkroom trays
Synthetic rubber
Badminton birdies
Glycerin
Hang gliders
Bubble bath
Purses
Sockets
Bookends
Weed killers
Flippers
Planters
Football pads
Tiles
Deodorant
Puzzles
Air conditioners
Panty hose
Backpacks
Sleeping bags
Refrigerator linings
Pencils
Electrician’s tape
Model cars
Midi-skirts
Kites
Folding doors
Mini-skirts
Floor wax
Garden hoses
Mascara
Paneling
Lawn sprinklers
Visors
Swimming pool liners
Laundry softeners
Electric blankets
Ear plugs
Tennis rackets
Shirts
Drinking cups
Canisters
House paint
Lamp shades
Computer tape
Cough syrup
Roller skate wheels
Sunglasses
Bird houses
Bathinettes
Records
Typewriter ribbons
Footballs
Disposable lighters
Doorknobs
Sewing machine cases
Fishing reels
Mattresses
Lifeboats
Girdles
Diving boards
Patio furniture
Ashtrays
Artificial limbs
Rain hats
Bandages
Dentures
Belts
Tongs
Tumblers
Car seats
Popcorn poppers
Poker chips
Mops
Bumper guards
Slacks
Hampers
Lighting panels
Yarn
Jars
Stools
Wastebaskets
Wall plugs
Insecticides
Baby bottles
Fishing lures
Hoses
Perfumes
Shoe polish
Water softeners
Rubber cement
Iron-on patches
Grease pencils
Ballet tights
Nylon rope
Price tags
Masking tape
Water skis
Paint sprayers
Fan belts
Mittens
Blenders
Humidifiers
Tubs
Dish drainers
Rubbing alcohol
Shag rugs
Crabgrass killer
Epoxy paint
Lunch boxes
Puppets
Oil filters
Jerseys
Sweaters
Sneakers
Playing cards
Bread boxes
Earrings
Dolls
Bubble gum
Sandwich bags
Microfilm
Coasters
Movie film
Hair dryers
Guitar strings
Ammonia
Plastic foam coolers
Maxi-skirts
Gaskets
Brake fluid
Jugs
Monkey bars
Luggage carriers
Blouses
Glue
Plastic drains
Kitchen gloves
Jackets
Bathroom scales
Fishing rods
Linoleum
Shelves
Convertible tops
Clothes hangers
Cushions
Scarves
Chess figures
Tennis courts
Beach umbrellas
Ballpoint pens
Ant poison
Boats
Shower heads
Flavors
Petroleum jelly
Photo albums
Tranquilizers
Canteens
Snorkels
Faucet washers
Checkbooks
Traffic cones
Camera bags
Umbrellas
Ponchos
Paint rollers
Shopping bags
Antenna cable
Bird feeders
Exercise mats
Picnic kits
Mattress covers
Pajamas
Raincoats
Bathrobes
Eyeglasses
Shower caps
Zippers
Nail polish
Pudding Molds
Corrosion inhibitors
Signs


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Re: Some things besides energy that will cost more under cap-and-trade

anything that has to be transported
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Re: Some things besides energy that will cost more under cap-and-trade

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anything that has to be transported
Absolutely. But don't forget that petroleum is used in making plastics and dyes. So not only will something that's made out of plastic cost more due to higher transportation cost, it'll cost more due to higher electrical costs, higher dye costs, and higher plastic costs.

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Distillates are used to produce lower grade fuels such as kerosene for use as a heating fuel and diesel fuel for use in powerful vehicles such as trucks, ships and industrial machinery. Other even lower grade fuels are used to provide energy to industrial processes not requiring the same combustion quality required by higher speed engines. Distillates also yield a wide variety of waxes that are turned into products used for lining milk cartons, as water repellant coatings, cosmetics, electrical insulators, sealants, medicinal tablet coatings, crayons, candles, and many other everyday items.

Petrochemical feedstock is processed into supplying an ever growing assortment of products such as anti-freeze, bases for paints, cleaning agents, detergents, dyes, explosives, fertilizers, industrial resins, plastics, synthetic fibers (nylon, polyester, rayon), synthetic rubber, solvents, thinners, and varnishes. Though all of these products have helped improve how people live, the impact of plastics is among the most consequential petroleum products in the civilized world.

Lubricants help overcome friction and are produced in an assortment of greases and oils used to lubricate moving parts in machinery; pull electrical wire through insulating conduit; lubricate sewing needles, sliding doors, heavy loads, and surgical medical equipment; and to reduce drag on surf boards as they pass through water.

http://www.enotes.com/earth-science/...-economic-uses
I can't see how cap-and-trade won't be anything but an economy damping bill. About the only good thing I see out of cap-and-trade is Republican rule.

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Re: Some things besides energy that will cost more under cap-and-trade

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Absolutely. But don't forget that petroleum is used in making plastics and dyes. So not only will something that's made out of plastic cost more due to higher transportation cost, it'll cost more due to higher electrical costs, higher dye costs, and higher plastic costs.

Found this:


I can't see how cap-and-trade won't be anything but an economy damping bill. About the only good thing I see out of cap-and-trade is Republican rule.

Kramer


yes, virtually anything that is manufactured and has mass but even downloaded software takes power so its pretty much everything. and thats over and above one's own personal energy consumption.

and all to not even put a dent in global carbon output.

but of course thats not the point of this anyway.

only a blithering idiot would buy this crap.

but then again there are still some people who think CO2 is the culpret.

heanven help us..... the polititians yen for money is insatiable....
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Re: Some things besides energy that will cost more under cap-and-trade

Cap and trade isn't really about mother earth, it's just a cloak for redistribution of wealth.

Hey, didn't Obama say that he was going to have rich people foot the bills?
Hello inflation!
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Re: Some things besides energy that will cost more under cap-and-trade

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Cap and trade isn't really about mother earth, it's just a cloak for redistribution of wealth.

Hey, didn't Obama say that he was going to have rich people foot the bills?
Hello inflation!
You are right, it is being used to redistribute wealth.

There is another consequence to consider as energy prices get higher due to cap-and-trade forcing us to use a fraction of the oil that we are using today: this is that many of the things we use today will either have to be re-made with other materials or we'll have to do without them.

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Re: Some things besides energy that will cost more under cap-and-trade

Porn's not on the list.


We're good.
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Porn's not on the list.


We're good.
You sure? If you stream porn over the internet, I gotta believe that it'll cost us someday because it requires power to run the net and the servers and switches, etc.

I wouldn't be surprised if someday it costs money to surf the net.

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