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Re: Bad News for the Party of NO

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Depends on how long someone has been paying into it. Can you say that someone who has been in the workforce for 40 years hasn't paid their fair share into the system?

Fuck it, the way I see it... those people who are on unemployment have actually paid into the system. If anyone is going to be bashed, it needs to be the young 20 somethings that have never paid into the system at all and think that they money that they are getting is just "free Obama money".
By that logic if we start having a public option for healthcare that gets paid for through taxes, we will all be "paying into the system", and therefore be entitled to free healthcare.

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Of the people that I know that are on unemployment right now, over half of them are on some kind of antidepressant because they are so fucked up right now because they can't support their families as they feel that they should. They feel like true POS because they can't find work. Of all the people that I know that have lost their jobs, NONE of them have EVER been on any kind of government assistance.
I wonder then how many of them are thinking about the vital nature of government socialistic programs. Since I have never taken money from unemployment compensation, I could view those depressed people as lazy people making excuses in order to suck off the government's tit. (I don't feel that way, but I certainly COULD).

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The people I have met on welfare take drugs just to get high, not help them NOT feel like a worthless POS living of the government tit.
There's probably more than a few of these. But there are also single mothers with children who cannot work because they would make less than daycare costs, and if they TRY to work at a part-time job they get denied welfare which is vital to their children's survival. So there are lots of problems with the way welfare is implemented. I don't know that most of the people are lazy drug-addled losers as you indicate.

By the way - even without extensions being granted, Business mandated contributions to unemployment compensation only pay for about half of the benefits:
Unemployment Benefits: A Federal-State Lifeline for the Unemployed

And info about who receives welfare:
Who Receives Benefits? - An Overview Of Welfare Program Participation

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Re: Bad News for the Party of NO

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By that logic if we start having a public option for healthcare that gets paid for through taxes, we will all be "paying into the system", and therefore be entitled to free healthcare.
Sure... if those people that are working want to have extra taxes taken out of their checks to pay for government health care, have at it. Don't take it out of my check if YOU want government health care.

YOU want government health care.... YOU pay for it.
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Re: Bad News for the Party of NO

Knute, Y'all watchin the party of no in VA and NJ?
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Re: Bad News for the Party of NO

You say 'Bad News for the Party of NO', I say bad news for us all... am I the only one worried about the US Dollar and our debt?
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You say 'Bad News for the Party of NO', I say bad news for us all... am I the only one worried about the US Dollar and our debt?
The OP seems to be worried about one thing and one thing only.......republicans.
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Sure... if those people that are working want to have extra taxes taken out of their checks to pay for government health care, have at it. Don't take it out of my check if YOU want government health care.

YOU want government health care.... YOU pay for it.
Absolutely, couldn't have said it better my self.

Thats not good enough for the pathetic dumb fuck liberals.. They want YOU to pay for some lazy fuck.

You should create wealth via work, and then allot it to some lazy sack of shit who creates nothing.

I say let the lazy fucks who cant provide for them selves die.

Even animals in the wild know how to survive and these sub humans cant figure it out?

Then the government has the audacity to talk about competition?

Yeah well when you refuse to work and live on entitlements you cant beat FREE. But intelligent non-liberals all know nothing is "free," someone is manufacturing the wealth to pay for this.

This health-care idea will be a liability NOT an asset and we don't need anymore liabilities.

Of course it we did it the logical way [your way] this program could actually be an asset.

My point is people who don't work and depend on entitlements are NOT good for our society and we should not be creating any more programs that further cater to them for an indefinable period of time.

This is like the government FORCING people to invest in toxic assets.
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Sure... if those people that are working want to have extra taxes taken out of their checks to pay for government health care, have at it. Don't take it out of my check if YOU want government health care.

YOU want government health care.... YOU pay for it.
I would fully expect to pay my share for a public option that I would participate in.

Apparently though for teabaggers, they cannot grasp the concept of paying for something and getting something in return.

The whole 'don't pay for people who don't pay in' is a load of crap because we're already paying for those people, and we're paying the more expensive method which is emergency care instead of preventative care.

So the teabagger solution!? Status quo. Keep paying for emergency care for people who don't contribute, and fuck over anyone else who might have a legitimate need and ability to pay for their own participation in a public option.
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So what? Once the value of those homes goes down to an appropriate level they'll be filled and the housing market will stabalize. The problem is that Republicans are trying to keep the prices artificially high so that the government can buy these overpriced "toxic assets".
The latest evidence backing my theory that math in general, and economics in particular, are too difficult for many liberals to understand.
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Re: Bad News for the Party of NO

If NJ or VA races are indicators of anything I don't think "the party of NO" is the one getting the bad news. Sorry, Knute (not really).
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Knute... you are without a doubt THE most dense person that I have ever come across on the web.

FROM YOUR OWN SOURCE!!!

So, to YOU, it doesn't matter that people are no longer receiving unemployment because they have exhausted their benefits. As long as people are no longer receiving benefits and the number of people on unemployment is going down, that is all you care about.

Just how thick IS your skull..... fuck!

Hey... how about this.... how about you just kick everyone off unemployment, then you can say that no one is on unemployment anymore. That should make your numbers look GREAT!!!

Did you miss THAT part? Or, does that not matter? Did you just skim through the article without reading it to find a snippet to take out of context to make you look like "you" are right?

Dense... just fucking dense.
Sssssshhhhh! You're ruining his moment!

In all seriousness though! This is just cherry-picking for the best morsels to feed oneself! At least in Knute's case!

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It shows how insigificant the debt is in the sense of how much 'wealth' is actually out there. The $700 billion that is supposedly going to 'stimulate' the economy isn't even 1% of the total wealth that the US has.

Yes probably some of it is international money, but the lion's share is in the US.
I think you and I both know that the derivatives market is nothing but a load of shit! All it is, is huge amounts of money being gambled which doesn't even exist!
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Re: Bad News for the Party of NO

That 3.5 billion stimulus WILL DO NOTHING to turn this economy around. Any person with a triple digit IQ and common sense can see this, weather they want to admit it or not.

Our economy depends on the private sector and all this stimulus is doing is expanding government jobs.

If the government cut TAXPAYERS a check of 40 grand cash each you would have SURELY seen an improvement in the economy by now.

You have to STIMULATE the ECONOMY [private sector/free market] but all that's being stimulated is the government.

This in its self PROVES Obama's a socialist pig that hates capitalism and is hell bent on destroying the free market and private sector.
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Re: Bad News for the Party of NO

Nov 4th .........bad news for the party of Knute.
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Nov 4th .........bad news for the party of Knute.
Please don't give him ideas about starting his own party
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I would fully expect to pay my share for a public option that I would participate in.
Sweet... have at it

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Apparently though for teabaggers, they cannot grasp the concept of paying for something and getting something in return.
Excuse me? We pay for our health insurance and in return we get kick ass coverage. See how that works? WE (my husband and I) PAY (you know... with that money that we EARN) for it, and in return we get good coverage (as in we have ZERO copay, and pay ZERO for any perscriptions)

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The whole 'don't pay for people who don't pay in' is a load of crap because we're already paying for those people, and we're paying the more expensive method which is emergency care instead of preventative care.
Which needs to stop. We need to make those that are milking the system aware of the fact that through hard work, they too can have good health coverage. (I know... I have done it)

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So the teabagger solution!? Status quo. Keep paying for emergency care for people who don't contribute, and fuck over anyone else who might have a legitimate need and ability to pay for their own participation in a public option.
Oh no... I have no problem with a public option that is COMPLETELY funded by those who want to participate. And, if YOU people want to let all the freeloaders get into the plan for free... have at it. Go for it.

Hell... there is a solution right there. All the people that want the public option can have it. Those that work and take the plan pay for it. Those that don't can get it for free from all those that work that are in the plan.

There you go!!!!

Not only can you get your public plan... but YOU can pay for all these people that don't want to support themselves.
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Nov 4th .........bad news for the party of Knute.
Actually not so bad. It was a mixed bag. There were two Gov seats lost . They really have little to do with what happens nationallym and Corzine, at least deserved to lose. Besides in a similar point in the Bushidiot's Presidency it was exactly reversed. The Dems won these two same Gov seats , and then went on to lose seats in the house & senate a year later.
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History suggests that off-year elections are far from predictive. In 2001 -- at a like point in Republican George W. Bush's presidency -- Democrats won the governorships in New Jersey and Virginia, then lost House and Senate seats a year later.GOP victories send message to Democrats -- latimes.com
On the other side of the equation, the Dems took away a seat that was held by the Repubs since 1871 in the NY 23rd Congressional District with retarded RW Repub help!
Now the Dems will be further pressed to get the economy and health care fixed even faster and the RW Retard Repub's will only see what they want to see and exclude even more people from their ranks. 2010 should be a loverly year for my party with all the help from the RW kooks!
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