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Peter Schiff: "it's all fake, we are repeating the same mistakes"

Hard to argue with a guy who has been right so many times.

His argument is the recent GDP growth is all fake, remove the $billions of borrowed foriegn cash called "stimulus" and you have what the economy really is..trash.

Schiff on Double-Dip Recession - Video - FOXBusiness.com
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Re: Peter Schiff: "it's all fake, we are repeating the same mistakes"

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Hard to argue with a guy who has been right so many times.

His argument is the recent GDP growth is all fake, remove the $billions of borrowed foriegn cash called "stimulus" and you have what the economy really is..trash.

Schiff on Double-Dip Recession - Video - FOXBusiness.com
Oh come on man...............the Obamites need some kind of accomplishment they can attribute to their wonderful leader.
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Oh come on man...............the Obamites need some kind of accomplishment they can attribute to their wonderful leader.
It is not about Obama, remember Bush started this great giveaway.
Problem is Chas...did he really have a choice? If he did not infuse borrowed $billions and $billions the economy would have collapsed - and we would have truly had "the greatest recession since 1930".
The real issue is what do we do? No one argues or can argue that the U.S. economy has been built on a foundation of quicksand for over 20 years..a mixture of massive consumer debt (on which 70% of the GDP is comprised) and massive government debt.
What do we do when the debt runs out? WHat do we have left?
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It is not about Obama, remember Bush started this great giveaway.
Problem is Chas...did he really have a choice? If he did not infuse borrowed $billions and $billions the economy would have collapsed - and we would have truly had "the greatest recession since 1930".
The real issue is what do we do? No one argues or can argue that the U.S. economy has been built on a foundation of quicksand for over 20 years..a mixture of massive consumer debt (on which 70% of the GDP is comprised) and massive government debt.
What do we do when the debt runs out? WHat do we have left?
We do nothing, as our elected ""leaders" in Washington insist on retesting the indicator of stupidity............trying the same thing and hoping for a different result. Maybe we could clawback some manufacturing is we hadn't sold our soul to the devil on trade.
Honestly, the only realistic thing I can think of is to legalize and tax pot, but that'd be little more than spit in the ocean.

Here's my question to you: Do you think we would have been better off to sit back and let the markets normalize ? (do nothing basically) This would have meant full scale depression, but hopefully, the eventual emergence wouldn't come with centuries of debt
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It is not about Obama, remember Bush started this great giveaway.
Problem is Chas...did he really have a choice? If he did not infuse borrowed $billions and $billions the economy would have collapsed - and we would have truly had "the greatest recession since 1930".
The real issue is what do we do? No one argues or can argue that the U.S. economy has been built on a foundation of quicksand for over 20 years..a mixture of massive consumer debt (on which 70% of the GDP is comprised) and massive government debt.
What do we do when the debt runs out? WHat do we have left?

I heard a clip this week that consumer debt is at an all time low. People are paying down their balances and paying cash for purchases. This cannot be a bad thing.
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Hard to argue with a guy who has been right so many times.

His argument is the recent GDP growth is all fake, remove the $billions of borrowed foriegn cash called "stimulus" and you have what the economy really is..trash.

Schiff on Double-Dip Recession - Video - FOXBusiness.com
for some reason it won't allow me to watch it..I have flash installed the friggin thing....
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I heard a clip this week that consumer debt is at an all time low. People are paying down their balances and paying cash for purchases. This cannot be a bad thing.
I think we're gonna need some proof on this one! I highly doubt the average citizen/consumer has wised up enough to lower the debt!

In any case, Peter Schiff has been right on so many occasions, it's not even a surprise anymore. Seriously, we need people like him helping to run and manage the country!
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I think we're gonna need some proof on this one! I highly doubt the average citizen/consumer has wised up enough to lower the debt!

In any case, Peter Schiff has been right on so many occasions, it's not even a surprise anymore. Seriously, we need people like him helping to run and manage the country!
He is running for Senate.
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Re: Peter Schiff: "it's all fake, we are repeating the same mistakes"

I got it to work, finally and I agree....it would be worth remembering that Europe by and large actually came out of their depression sooner than we did, they were showing growth and their economy got better quicker than ours did in the late 30’s, ahead of ww2.
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It is not about Obama, remember Bush started this great giveaway.
Problem is Chas...did he really have a choice? If he did not infuse borrowed $billions and $billions the economy would have collapsed - and we would have truly had "the greatest recession since 1930".
The real issue is what do we do? No one argues or can argue that the U.S. economy has been built on a foundation of quicksand for over 20 years..a mixture of massive consumer debt (on which 70% of the GDP is comprised) and massive government debt.
What do we do when the debt runs out? WHat do we have left?
He could have vetoed the second "stimulus bill" (or was that the third?) and allowed the Fed to do their thing. Adding a trillion to the debt vs. the Fed's "magic". I prefer the Fed.
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I got it to work, finally and I agree....it would be worth remembering that Europe by and large actually came out of their depression sooner than we did, they were showing growth and their economy got better quicker than ours did in the late 30’s, ahead of ww2.
Obviously, the European Fascists were better money managers than the American version.
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He could have vetoed the second "stimulus bill" (or was that the third?) and allowed the Fed to do their thing. Adding a trillion to the debt vs. the Fed's "magic". I prefer the Fed.
The Feds???
Dude...they are the ones that setup this mess.
That and the SEC are completely infested with ex-CEO's and millionaires who have more to gain by allowing the market to go insane in the first place.
The Fed is definetly not the answer.
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The Feds???
Dude...they are the ones that setup this mess.
That and the SEC are completely infested with ex-CEO's and millionaires who have more to gain by allowing the market to go insane in the first place.
The Fed is definetly not the answer.
The Fed is the problem and therefore the solution.
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The Feds???
Dude...they are the ones that setup this mess.
That and the SEC are completely infested with ex-CEO's and millionaires who have more to gain by allowing the market to go insane in the first place.
The Fed is definetly not the answer.
I said this in another thread and will restate it; in 10 years or so there will be a hell of book written called; “ The Goldman-Sachs mafia; how they helped create the crash, but kept themselves in the Green”....
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I said this in another thread and will restate it; in 10 years or so there will be a hell of book written called; “ The Goldman-Sachs mafia; how they helped create the crash, but kept themselves in the Green”....
I share your opinion of Goldman-Sachs. All their "counter-parties" need to know is Goldman-Sachs made record profits by betting against their derivative investors.

For most of us that would seem to be a risky strategy as investors should be smart enough to wise up to their games. Apparently however, it's the "it won't be me" mindset that keeps the dough coming in.
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