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Buffett's Berkshire buying Burlington Northern

Berkshire buying Burlington Northern railroad - Yahoo! Finance

For roughly 34 billion BRK is buying roughly 2 billion profit. Both stocks rising sharply as BRK, with an enterprise value of 167 billion only turned 3 billion profit, trailing twelve months. 2/3's BRK's profits at 1/4th the cost.

Sounds like a good deal for BRK stockholders, Buffett being the biggest.
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rail could be key in energy conservation if it can innovate just a little.
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rail could be key in energy conservation if it can innovate just a little.
According to the industry, Railroads are 85% more energy efficient than they were in 1980. The average for 2007 was moving one ton 436 miles on one gallon of fuel.
FactCheck.org: Can a freight train really move a ton of freight 436 miles on a gallon of fuel?

As people movers they're grossly inefficient, unless Americans adopt the 3rd world MO of packing them in and having "riders" hang off the sides and sit on the top of cars.
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rail could be key in energy conservation if it can innovate just a little.
Rail needs to reclaim previously existing routes, have widely available stops with adequate stations and parking (bike storage?) and folks will use rail more often.

The town i grew up in during my teen years had three trains stops prior to WW2 and had a vibrant local agricultural business. Over the years the rails gave way to cars and the nearest rail is 4 miles out of town and until very recently had hundreds of daily commuters competing for a dozen parking spaces in a lot managed by a pizza shop; the ticket booth was in a private business across the street from the station that wasn't open during all the hours the "station" was in operation.

One stop on the local commuter rail had the ticket booth out of sight from the actual phyiscal stop several hundred feet away on the opposite corner of an unlit park.

For generations American planners have been fighting to keep the train down.
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According to the industry, Railroads are 85% more energy efficient than they were in 1980. The average for 2007 was moving one ton 436 miles on one gallon of fuel.
FactCheck.org: Can a freight train really move a ton of freight 436 miles on a gallon of fuel?

As people movers they're grossly inefficient, unless Americans adopt the 3rd world MO of packing them in and having "riders" hang off the sides and sit on the top of cars.


They need to get a little better at freigh short haul. nothing better at freight long haul. Need to move away from trucks as possible.
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S&P to downgrade BRK because of the deal:

Standard & Poor's Ratings Services says in a news release today that it has put Berkshire on "CreditWatch with negative implications" in the wake of its announced deal to buy all of Burlington Northern Santa Fe.

Last March, S&P kept its AAA rating on Berkshire, but lowered its outlook to "negative" from "stable" because lower equity prices were hurting the capital holdings of Berkshire's insurance operations.

Fitch took away Berkshire's AAA rating in mid-March, and Moody's did the same in early April.

Today S&P says it may lower Berkshire's rating by one or two notches within 90 days, after it takes a closer look at the company's agreement to buy BNSF.

Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway May Lose Only Remaining AAA Credit Rating - Yahoo! Finance

The good news is the rating services appear to now take their responsibilities more serious, after their derivatives debacles. The bad news, for BRK stockholders is any borrowing in the future will cost their company higher interest rates.
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Nice alliteration.
Thanks. It was difficult saying it into my keyboard, but it turned out okay.
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Thanks for posting this Ted - a major business story.

As part of the plans surrounding the acquisition, Buffett has decided to do a 50-1 stock split, which will allow ordinary investors to purchase Berkshire at a rate that is much lower than the current price:

Berkshire for $65.30 a Share? Giant Plans 50-1 Stock Split - Mergers and Aquisitions * US * News * Story - CNBC.com

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Buffett's decision to conduct a 50-for-1 split of Class B shares of his Berkshire Hathaway lowers the price of entry for ordinary investors who long found it prohibitively costly to buy the stock.
Berkshire offers Class A shares and Class B shares. Only the second, Class B, are subject to the split, which will have to be approved by shareholders.

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The split is one piece of Berkshire's $26 billion takeover of Burlington Northern Santa Fe, and is intended to make it easier for shareholders of the railroad who want to swap their shares for Berkshire stock to do so.

Berkshire Class B shares [BRK.B Loading... () ] closed Monday at $3,265. After a 50-for-1 split, they would cost just $65.30.

Class A shares [BRK.A Loading... () ] of Berkshire trade around 30 times the price of the Class B shares, or around $100,000, and are not being split
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Apparently Buffett doesn't think much of stock splits. As a result, the spectacularly successful Berkshire's Class A shares are selling at more than $100,000 a share and are generally bought through mutual funds. This is generally true of the Class B shares - which are still extraordinarily expensive. It will be interesting to see the reception to Berkshire at the lower price.
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As people movers they're grossly inefficient, unless Americans adopt the 3rd world MO of packing them in and having "riders" hang off the sides and sit on the top of cars.
Steam powered local light rail would be the way to go, but it's too cheap to interest lobbyists and the likes of the Al Gores out there. Gore is already well into his second $100 million peddling 'pollution credits' ... It's hilarious stuff, make up a complete legal fiction, and a total abstraction, and then market it.
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Thanks for posting this Ted - a major business story.

As part of the plans surrounding the acquisition, Buffett has decided to do a 50-1 stock split, which will allow ordinary investors to purchase Berkshire at a rate that is much lower than the current price:

Berkshire for $65.30 a Share? Giant Plans 50-1 Stock Split - Mergers and Aquisitions * US * News * Story - CNBC.com



Berkshire offers Class A shares and Class B shares. Only the second, Class B, are subject to the split, which will have to be approved by shareholders.
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Apparently Buffett doesn't think much of stock splits. As a result, the spectacularly successful Berkshire's Class A shares are selling at more than $100,000 a share and are generally bought through mutual funds. This is generally true of the Class B shares - which are still extraordinarily expensive. It will be interesting to see the reception to Berkshire at the lower price.
Buffet is going to retire pretty soon, so a major pump-and-dump operation in the markets is in the works for his holdings in the near future. Dumping huge amounts of watered stock on a desperate market is the way to go; he hasn't been paying those publicists and working on his 'I'm a good guy! You can trust me!' image for years just for fun. In any case, he isn't going to be around long, so buyer beware. The personality cult surrounding this huckster is literally in the millions, just hoping for a chance to shove their life savings into his pockets.
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Buffet is going to retire pretty soon, so a major pump-and-dump operation in the markets is in the works for his holdings in the near future. Dumping huge amounts of watered stock on a desperate market is the way to go; he hasn't been paying those publicists and working on his 'I'm a good guy! You can trust me!' image for years just for fun. In any case, he isn't going to be around long, so buyer beware. The personality cult surrounding this huckster is literally in the millions, just hoping for a chance to shove their life savings into his pockets.
Buffett's became a billionaire by buying on the dumps and selling on the pumps. But, it wasn't him doing the pump and dumps, just taking advantage of other people's fear and greed.

In full disclosure, I'm not now, nor have I ever been a member of Buffett's "cult", ie, a BRK stockholder.
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As people movers they're grossly inefficient, unless Americans adopt the 3rd world MO of packing them in and having "riders" hang off the sides and sit on the top of cars.
There are other ways to improve efficiency besides "packing them in". Regenerative braking, for example, has made great strides in recent years. But you do need to have relatively high ridership to have good efficiency numbers. The biggest challenge is getting Americans out of their cars.
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There are other ways to improve efficiency besides "packing them in". Regenerative braking, for example, has made great strides in recent years. But you do need to have relatively high ridership to have good efficiency numbers. The biggest challenge is getting Americans out of their cars.
It's pretty much a chicken or the egg thing. Americans aren't going to give up their cars until trains can compete in convenience and costs, and trains aren't going to become convenient until it's profitable.
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