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    Re: Why Is Taxing the Rich So Hard?

    Quote Originally Posted by smurf View Post
    You have been deceived.

    The historical definition of the word inflation is "an increase in the money supply".

    As the government / fed steadily destroyed the value of the dollar by printing too many of them, there became a concerted effort to redefine the word inflation to mean "a general rise in the price of goods and services".

    The new definition obscures the government's / fed's role in the inflation.
    yes if the liberal can make you think that eroding the value of your money is a mystery rather than a direct result of their printing money they are free to print as much as they want. It should be 100% illegal to print money except for the purpose of keeping inflation at 0%.


    I know of several long term deals that were never made becuase parties could not agree on how much inflation they should build into their calculations about future rents and revenues.

    If inflation was guaranteed by law to be at or close to 0% a great deal of uncertainty would be removed and a great deal of new economic growth would take place..

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    Re: Why Is Taxing the Rich So Hard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Porras View Post
    Yes. Which is why I was confused by what you said earlier.
    Why the fuck do people keep pretending I want to give more money to people on the government dole? The only thing I support giving to able bodied adults is medical care. That's it. No food stamps, no housing assistance, nothing else.
    Here you seem to be against govt roads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jviehe View Post
    Here you seem to be against govt roads.
    No. That was against simply giving people money, as in welfare. Providing the infrastructure necessary for people to do business is another matter which I, obviously, fully support.
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    Re: Why Is Taxing the Rich So Hard?

    Ok then, back to the topic.

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    Re: Why Is Taxing the Rich So Hard?

    Quote Originally Posted by jviehe View Post
    It [a tariff] means inflation because the same money would buy less because a tarrif would raise consumer prices.

    econ 101 for you. A tariff raises prices for some goods but does not change the money supply so the price of other goods must then be lowered. Supply equals demand!!

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    Re: Why Is Taxing the Rich So Hard?

    Quote Originally Posted by jviehe View Post
    Why should they pay more?
    the rich should not pay more in taxes since they are our most productive citizens. Tax capital gains and there is less venture capital, for example, for Googles and Intels, etc etc. Its 100% suicidal and 100% liberal,i.,e., based on perfect ignorance.

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    Re: Why Is Taxing the Rich So Hard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Porras View Post
    Why the fuck do people keep pretending I want to give more money to people on the government dole? The only thing I support giving to able bodied adults is medical care. That's it. No food stamps, no housing assistance, nothing else.

    thats an easy one, if you want healthcare welfare, then you'd want welfare for the more important things like food clothing and shelter. What good is healthcare without food clothing and shelter?

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    Re: Why Is Taxing the Rich So Hard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    thats an easy one, if you want healthcare welfare, then you'd want welfare for the more important things like food clothing and shelter. What good is healthcare without food clothing and shelter?
    People can get food, clothing, and shelter, without paying $500 just to be seen and thousands more on top of that for actual treatment.
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    Re: Why Is Taxing the Rich So Hard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    econ 101 for you. A tariff raises prices for some goods but does not change the money supply so the price of other goods must then be lowered. Supply equals demand!!
    Econ 101 for you. I was speaking in terms of everything else being equal. Whatever the cause, consumer prices going up without production going up is the defintion of inflation. Obviously if there are alternative goods, people will switch to those. However, the less artificial controls on the market, such as tarrifs, the better.

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    Re: Why Is Taxing the Rich So Hard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Porras View Post
    People can get food, clothing, and shelter, without paying $500 just to be seen and thousands more on top of that for actual treatment.
    actually there are many who need food clothing and shelter!!! Ask someone without food or shelter if he'd rather have free healthcare or food. GOt it now.

    As a liberal your bleeding heart wants to put them on the dole, right??

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    Re: Why Is Taxing the Rich So Hard?

    Quote Originally Posted by jviehe View Post
    Econ 101 for you. I was speaking in terms of everything else being equal.
    don't be absurd, everything else is not equal. When the liberals goofs pass a tariff bill they don't print exrtra money so people can afford the tarrifed items.

    THey go up in price while other things must go down by the same exact amount, thus the supply equals demand and the general price level stays identical.

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    Re: Why Is Taxing the Rich So Hard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    actually there are many who need food clothing and shelter!!! Ask someone without food or shelter if he'd rather have free healthcare or food. GOt it now.

    As a liberal your bleeding heart wants to put them on the dole, right??
    Nope. He can get his own food.

    I don't see why this is hard for you to understand. If I can go to any area with high foot traffic, spend an hour holding a sign, and have the money to buy something, the government doesn't need to buy it for me.

    If I have to spend more money than I make in a year to get minimal care (not enough to leave myself in a position where I'm capable of working) the government should remedy that situation.

    If we had a socialist healthcare system, I'd be in better shape, making more money, and paying more taxes. Without it, I'm stuck delivering pizza for sub minimum wage. (Technically there are other things I can do, I tried driving a cab for a while, but that didn't pay as much.)
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    Re: Why Is Taxing the Rich So Hard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Porras View Post
    Nope. He can get his own food.

    million don't get their own food or shelter. Screw em, right??? Come on where is the bleeding heart???

    Quote Originally Posted by Porras View Post
    I don't see why this is hard for you to understand. If I can go to any area with high foot traffic, spend an hour holding a sign, and have the money to buy something, the government doesn't need to buy it for me.
    agreed

    Quote Originally Posted by Porras View Post
    If I have to spend more money than I make in a year to get minimal care (not enough to leave myself in a position where I'm capable of working) the government should remedy that situation.
    yes with a capitalist system that drives down prices so everyone can afford it, not a socialist sytem that killed 100 millions by slow poverty in the USSR and China

    Quote Originally Posted by Porras View Post
    If we had a socialist healthcare system, I'd be in better shape, making more money, and paying more taxes. Without it, I'm stuck delivering pizza for sub minimum wage. (Technically there are other things I can do, I tried driving a cab for a while, but that didn't pay as much.)
    dear, socialism makes everyone poorer that is why Red China switched. Its been in all the papers

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    Re: Why Is Taxing the Rich So Hard?

    It is hard to tax capital gains and more and more income will be attributable to capital gains as time passes.

    This is ultimately the problem with taxing the rich.

    It would be better to allow the rich to form corporations and tax their capital gains at a lowered corp tax rate but if they receive those gains as an individual they pay the full income tax on it.

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    Sorry to have been out of the conversation for a while…family tragedy. Last week I received a response which I will address later that basically said the inflation has raised but we are better off now than in 1960. Basically our government is lying to us, we are not better off now than we were then AND the rich, while paying a higher percentage of collected revenue are still paying a smaller percentage than the average middle class working family. I am a firm believer that the only fair way to operate the tax structure is in a flat tax system. Everyone will pay an equal percentage of their income (wages, bonuses, etc.) into the government, directly deducted from their checks. No forms to be filed at the end of the year, no loop holes to crawl through, no “hiding” income. Many cities in the US use this approach and it works very well, plus you have the side benefit of not having the mad rush once a year for all of the final tax filers, the additional cost of tax form publications, the added expense of mailing all of those forms. The only thing left for the IRS to focus on would be corporate taxes because of the nature of profit and loss associated with business, as far as “capital gain” it’s still income and should be taxes as such. Flat tax makes the most sense a person earning say 40,000 paying 20% would be %8,000 in taxes a year and a person making $10,000,000 paying 20% would pay $2,000,000, this makes everything absolutely equal.

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