Thread: Obama tells companies to hire workers

Originally Posted by Forplay

There is no destruction of the middle class or any other class. What you don't believe in is competition among workers. Employers are going to pay whatever the market demands. Businesses don't set the wages they pay, the market does. If you don't like what your being paid "quit" if an employer does not want you to quit them they will pay more for your services. The concept is so simple to understand.

If all the working public demand higher wages then the businesses have a choice, pay the higher wages or go someplace else to get the job done. Again this is so simple to understand.

We are in a world economy, and nothing you or anyone else can change that. Another simple thing to be able to understand.

You see there is competition among businesses and there is competition among workers for the jobs provided by the businesses. Again simple.

And I might add our businesses are in competition against foreign businesses. That I hope you understand

I understand all of that.. So your answer is for America to start paying wages similar to China? That is the glorious future you see for your kids? Thats it?!?! You just give up and say "Oh well, so be it"?

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

I understand all of that.. So your answer is for America to start paying wages similar to China? That is the glorious future you see for your kids? Thats it?!?! You just give up and say "Oh well, so be it"?

Sadly Dick, He is correct, America and all else bought Free Trade before we were competitive enough. No plan was developed "before" America went down this road.

Every time American wages go down it becomes more attractive to investors. The only desperate solution would be protectionism, which won't solve long term issues. Unless their are new technologies, which would pay higher, the jobs returning to America would not be equitable to the jobs that left.

Originally Posted by michael h

Sadly Dick, He is correct, America and all else bought Free Trade before we were competitive enough. No plan was developed "before" America went down this road.

Every time American wages go down it becomes more attractive to investors. The only desperate solution would be protectionism, which won't solve long term issues. Unless their are new technologies, which would pay higher, the jobs returning to America would not be equitable to the jobs that left.

Don't be selling America short! If we can stop the looting of America by the Republicans we can have a strong middle class. Here are a couple of thoughts:

• Manufacturing jobs are going the way of the Dodo bird. Robotics, automation, and technological changes are causing huge gains in productivity. Those jobs we are losing were going to disappear anyway. The goods won't disappear, but the jobs will.
  
• Incredible surpluses of goods will drive basic prices way down. Look at clothing for example. If not another piece of clothing were made, how long would it be before the world ran out of clothes? 15 years would be my guess, based on my wife's closet.
  
• In 1981 who in their right mind would have predicted PCs , cell phones, the Internet, or iPods? The world, and most particularly America have a track record of breakthroughs.
  
• America, mostly because of her immigrants, has always had the energy and the ability for new ways of doing things. There is no reason to doubt that continuing.

I'd add this. I mentioned clothing. Yes, we have basic clothes. All we need. However, that won't stop the engine of clothes fashions, new fads, and amazing new designs. That will happen in field after field. Yes, people will have the basics, but they will want the special added bumps, and that will give us millions of new jobs.

Don't be selling America short.

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

Don't be selling America short! If we can stop the looting of America by the Republicans we can have a strong middle class. Here are a couple of thoughts:

• Manufacturing jobs are going the way of the Dodo bird. Robotics, automation, and technological changes are causing huge gains in productivity. Those jobs we are losing were going to disappear anyway. The goods won't disappear, but the jobs will.
  
• Incredible surpluses of goods will drive basic prices way down. Look at clothing for example. If not another piece of clothing were made, how long would it be before the world ran out of clothes? 15 years would be my guess, based on my wife's closet.
  
• In 1981 who in their right mind would have predicted PCs , cell phones, the Internet, or iPods? The world, and most particularly America have a track record of breakthroughs.
  
• America, mostly because of her immigrants, has always had the energy and the ability for new ways of doing things. There is no reason to doubt that continuing.

I'd add this. I mentioned clothing. Yes, we have basic clothes. All we need. However, that won't stop the engine of clothes fashions, new fads, and amazing new designs. That will happen in field after field. Yes, people will have the basics, but they will want the special added bumps, and that will give us millions of new jobs.

Don't be selling America short.

There was a trend to move jobs to the interior of China, because of wage increases along the coastal manufacturing shipping ports. Eventual competition for employees in China, will make the US more competitive, it's just a matter of how long.

I've worked with Fanuc robots myself and they are extremely helpful in production. A lot of lost jobs have come from productivity improvements.

About the only benefit we got from jobs moving, was lower priced goods.

The pubs are just tools of banking interests as are dems but less so. Education and a painful economy, may teach all Americans the hard way.

Originally Posted by michael h

There was a trend to move jobs to the interior of China, because of wage increases along the coastal manufacturing shipping ports. Eventual competition for employees in China, will make the US more competitive, it's just a matter of how long.

I've worked with Fanuc robots myself and they are extremely helpful in production. A lot of lost jobs have come from productivity improvements.

About the only benefit we got from jobs moving, was lower priced goods.

The pubs are just tools of banking interests as are dems but less so. Education and a painful economy, may teach all Americans the hard way.

One thing we need is a good infrastructure, from schools to canals to high speed rail to sea ports and highways to communications and a first rate power grid.

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

One thing we need is a good infrastructure, from schools to canals to high speed rail to sea ports and highways to communications and a first rate power grid.

I've wondered at that, why we were just paving and paving roads, instead of improving rail. There are a lot more fiber optics being installed, not sure if there were any investment breaks for installation.

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

One thing we need is a good infrastructure, from schools to canals to high speed rail to sea ports and highways to communications and a first rate power grid.

What you continue to fail to understand is we are in a world economy, in every imaginable way. You do not want to believe there is competition among businesses around the word and that their is competition among labor around the world. This is a fact you fail and wish not to understand.

You live in the 1930's and 40's that's not the way the world is today. So go and preach you need 20 union employees to put a bolt in and another one to place the washer on and yet again to put the nut on and yet another to hold the bolt while yet another tightens the nut. I feel sorry for you not moving forward to current times.

You seem to know how to type on a computer but your ideology is set in stone 70+ years ago.

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

One thing we need is a good infrastructure, from schools to canals to high speed rail to sea ports and highways to communications and a first rate power grid.

We have a first rate power grid, solid communications, and a school every place you turn around. Of course we have no discipline in those schools any more, funny how that evil responsibility was effective isn't it.

We have loads of sea ports, certainly sufficient to handle the traffic we have now, high speed rail however is a fools errand when you're talking about a country the size of the US.

If New York and Boston want to build one between the two for example, sell bonds and raise the money themselves.

Originally Posted by 9aces

We have a first rate power grid, solid communications, and a school every place you turn around. Of course we have no discipline in those schools any more, funny how that evil responsibility was effective isn't it.

We have loads of sea ports, certainly sufficient to handle the traffic we have now, high speed rail however is a fools errand when you're talking about a country the size of the US.

If New York and Boston want to build one between the two for example, sell bonds and raise the money themselves.

9aces, sorry, but you are badly out of touch with the rest of the world. The 1980s was a long time ago. The rest of the world has moved on.

Originally Posted by CharlesDavenport

More insight into the mind of the the man-child -



Those evil businesses making money again. We just can't have that.

Newsflash you idiot, that's how businesses stay in business and pay the employees that they have. This isn't the government, who can "create jobs" and give raises regardless of how much it's in the red just by taking more money from other people through taxes.

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Ummm....I'm going to have to side with the libs and Obama on this one. They took the money for their "survival" so it is incumbent upon them to have a higher obligation to reinvest their profits into the American people. That's just how it works. Why do you find it OK for these business to take our money and then tell the government to "butt out" but get all self-righteous of Iraqi government or the Afghanistan government goes against American popularism and talks to Iran or does X,Y,Z? Bullshit...no one forced them to take hope on the public dole. They also aren't going out of business if they are asked to spend a little extra money when their profits are in the tens of billions. Remaining solvent is one thing, that is another

Now, I did disagree with the bailouts, period. Those companies should have been left to fail or adapt. The model of operation was not viable. It should have been left to burn so new growth would have been enabled. My guess is that those companies would have "magically" figured out a way to survive, regardless. It doesn't matter though. They should never have been given the offer.

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

9aces, sorry, but you are badly out of touch with the rest of the world. The 1980s was a long time ago. The rest of the world has moved on.

And yet the world lags behind the US still in every area but that high speed rail you're so in love with, and simply does not work in the US due to the sheer size of the country.

Originally Posted by 9aces

And yet the world lags behind the US still in every area but that high speed rail you're so in love with, and simply does not work in the US due to the sheer size of the country.

Go ahead. You made the claim. Back it up. In exactly what area is America still #1, besides in the "I can blow up the World" category.

Originally Posted by Dick Martin

Go ahead. You made the claim. Back it up. In exactly what area is America still #1, besides in the "I can blow up the World" category.

"I can blow up the World" is a big one.

Gross GDP - Most Americans think China is No. 1 economy; it isn't - USATODAY.com

Innovation United States The World's Number One Innovator? | Fast Company

Wine consumption - We're Number One! America Overtakes France in Wine Consumption | Food & Think

Rap "Music"

Hillbillies (but you knew that one didn't you Dick?)

Billionaires - U.S. World's Number One in Number of Billionaires

NASCAR

"Professional" Wrestling

Baseball