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Thread: They chose to fail.

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    Re: They chose to fail.

    Quote Originally Posted by smurf View Post
    It uses the proceeds of treasury bond sales to fund its operations (outlays), and to redeem maturing debt.

    If the U.S. Government could not access the proceeds of treasury bond sales, then it would be forced to run a balanced budget where all operations were funded on a pay as you go basis by current revenue.
    So Receipts were greater than Outlays the federal government ran a Surplus.
    Within the federal government, SS ran a surplus, the non-ss portions of the government ran a deficit.

    Overall, the United States Government ran a surplus.


    If outlays were greater than receipts, but the non-ss portion of the government ran a surplus, and redeemed treasuries from SS.
    Then you could have the Government running a deficit, and total debt going down.
    Although Debt held by the Public would rise.

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    Re: They chose to fail.

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    So Receipts were greater than Outlays the federal government ran a Surplus.
    No.

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    Within the federal government, SS ran a surplus, the non-ss portions of the government ran a deficit.
    Yes.

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    Overall, the United States Government ran a surplus.
    No.

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    If outlays were greater than receipts, but the non-ss portion of the government ran a surplus, and redeemed treasuries from SS.
    Then you could have the Government running a deficit, and total debt going down.
    Although Debt held by the Public would rise.
    No.

    If the non Social Security part of government ran a surplus, you would have the government running a surplus, and total debt going down in amount. Although the debt held by the public would rise.

    I think that you are starting to understand, goober. The Social Security Trust Fund is real, and the bonds that it holds are assets held for the benefit of future Social Security recipients. It is not a government slush fund, and that is why the government must borrow the money from the Social Security Trust Fund before they spend it.
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    Re: They chose to fail.

    Quote Originally Posted by smurf View Post
    No.



    Yes.



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    No.

    If the non Social Security part of government ran a surplus, you would have the government running a surplus, and total debt going down in amount. Although the debt held by the public would rise.

    I think that you are starting to understand, goober. The Social Security Trust Fund is real, and the bonds that it holds are assets held for the benefit of future Social Security recipients. It is not a government slush fund, and that is why the government must borrow the money from the Social Security Trust Fund before they spend it.
    You flunked accounting

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    Re: They chose to fail.

    Quote Originally Posted by goober View Post
    You flunked accounting


    That's all you have?

    I win, again.
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    Re: They chose to fail.

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    That's all you have?

    I win, again.
    I'm sure you believe that.....

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    Re: They chose to fail.

    Quote Originally Posted by goober View Post
    I'm sure you believe that.....
    Happens to be true. He's pencil whipped you to death on this.

    The math always wins.
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