Thread: Stop Coddling the super Rich

Originally Posted by C-B-M

You didn't actually state anything substantive here. Your initial claim was that the government, in cahoots with businesses, did x, y, and z. Now, to "prove it," you just say "x, y, and z were legislated." That's circular logic. You "proved" your contention with your contention. When I say link the two, I mean that you state, for example, that there is a 10% unemployment rate and that corporate profits are up. Sure. Now what's the connection? Outsourcing? How so?

So if you export jobs as I've asked now 4 times, does unemployment increase?

If an employer pays $1.50 hr instead of $33 hr does profit increase?

At 13.9 million people unemployed and twice that counting those who have given up,I think there is sufficient reason to be concerned with our economy. 26 or 27 million idled and unproductive. Not to worry though ...corporate profits are up. Wow they really start to spike right after China PNTR last qtr 2000.

seekingalpha.com/article/238799-the-big-disconnect-u-s-corporate-profits-rising-with-no-job-growth?iact=hc&vpx=308&vpy=80&dur=2454&hovh=211&ho vw=239&tx=151&ty=130&ei=hZdSTo7xJqTj0QHA2LiBDA&pag e=1&tbnh=126&tbnw=143&start=0&ndsp=32&ved=1t:429,r :1,s:0


Jobless total exceeds population of all but four states | The Lookout - Yahoo! News

Jobless total exceeds population of all but four states
By Zachary Roth | The Lookout – 4 hrs ago


America's jobless crisis has been going on so long that the raw numbers have lost much of their power to convey the severity of the problem. The Wall Street Journal's David Wessel has found a clever new way to get at the issue.

Wessel notes that there are more officially unemployed people in the United States (13.9 million, though if you count those who have given up looking it's nearly twice that) than the total individual populations of 46 out of 50 U.S. states.

Or, if you prefer: There are more offically unemployed Americans than the combined population of Wyoming, Vermont, North Dakota, Alaska, South Dakota, Delaware, Montana, Rhode Island, Hawaii, Maine, New Hampshire, Idaho and the District of Columbia.

Or finally: There are more unemployed Americans than the total population of Greece or Portugal, both of which have 10.8 million people. And more than twice as many as the total population of Norway, which has 4.7 million people.

Michael,
C-B-M has already stated he only cares about himself and no other cons have jumped on your presentation so I think it's time to let him rant.

Originally Posted by USCitizen

Michael,
C-B-M has already stated he only cares about himself and no other cons have jumped on your presentation so I think it's time to let him rant.

I can't even get a consensus with C-B-M that exporting 100,000 jobs increases unemployment. Now how would I support my contentions without such a simple admission?

Originally Posted by michael h

Wessel notes that there are more officially unemployed people in the United States ([B]13.9 million,

why not have the liberals send 10 million illegals home to create 10 million new jobs, as Republicans want to do?

why not make unions illegal again to import about 30 million new jobs, as Republicans want to do?

Why not end the minimum wage to create 2 million jobs

Why not end business taxation to create 5 million jobs

Why not eliminate the budget deficit so Japan and China have to buy our goods rather than our deficit! There's a real $2 trillion stimulus.

Originally Posted by Brutus

why not have the liberals send 10 million illegals home to create 10 million new jobs, as Republicans want to do?

why not make unions illegal again to import about 30 million new jobs, as Republicans want to do?

Why not end the minimum wage to create 2 million jobs

Why not end business taxation to create 5 million jobs

Why not eliminate the budget deficit so Japan and China have to buy our goods rather than our deficit! There's a real $2 trillion stimulus.

Those are lovely Pubs points with which I agree in principle and I would accomplish if given the power.

Now back to planet earth...
Pubs want slave hours, wages and conditions.
Every tax break they, and the Dems, ask for concerns off-shoring resulting in their thirst for slaves.

Originally Posted by USCitizen

Now back to planet earth...
Pubs want slave hours, wages and conditions.

actually if you brought back 40 million jobs that liberals exported there would be tremendous upward pressure on wages and conditions.

Originally Posted by Brutus

why not have the liberals send 10 million illegals home to create 10 million new jobs, as Republicans want to do?

why not make unions illegal again to import about 30 million new jobs, as Republicans want to do?

Why not end the minimum wage to create 2 million jobs

Why not end business taxation to create 5 million jobs

Why not eliminate the budget deficit so Japan and China have to buy our goods rather than our deficit! There's a real $2 trillion stimulus.

Why didn't Republicans send illegals home when they controlled the House, the Senate and the White House? Is this a new policy, or one they only endorse when they are out of power?

Two million new jobs that pay less than $6/hr?

OK, end business taxation, and shift that tax burden over to who?

You need to think through the deficit thing, because when the country was running a budget surplus, we still were running a trade deficit.

Originally Posted by Brutus

actually if you brought back 40 million jobs that liberals exported there would be tremendous upward pressure on wages and conditions.

Lowering taxes or a tax break did not work the last time (John Chambers CISCO, 60 Minutes).
The money was used to lobby for more off-shoring.

It's a lovely idea that no Director will go for.
Now a President with real balls would slowly eliminate off-shoring whilst gradually lowering taxes.

But a candidate that would actually do that would never get contributions from Wall Street and the average person walking the streets doesn't even know what trade agreements are.

Originally Posted by goober

Why didn't Republicans send illegals home when they controlled the House, the Senate and the White House? Is this a new policy, or one they only endorse when they are out of power?

you've confused in office with in power again. BO is in office and had a super majority but could not get a public option!! To be in office you often must compromise and move toward the center and even act like the party opposite as BO has done at times. Is that really over your head??

Originally Posted by goober

Two million new jobs that pay less than $6/hr?

of course with 30 million new jobs there would be tremendous upward pressure on wages

Originally Posted by goober

OK, end business taxation, and shift that tax burden over to who?

liberals lack the IQ to understand that a corporate tax is a cost like any other that is passed on the customers. A business is a tax collector not a tax payer.

Originally Posted by goober

You need to think through the deficit thing, because when the country was running a budget surplus, we still were running a trade deficit.

when was that exactly?

Brutus,
"a corporate tax is a cost like any other that is passed on the customers"

Then why run off to other nations?
Slave wages, hours and conditions.

Pubs tout their platform, which is far more nationalistic and empowering than the Dem platform, but I think the only thing they really want is slavery.
Law enforcement? No.
Better schools? No.
Borders? Hell no!
English the official language? No.
Lower taxes? Can't do that when they want...
Free Trade? Hell yeah!

Originally Posted by USCitizen

Brutus,
"a corporate tax is a cost like any other that is passed on the customers"

Then why run off to other nations?
Slave wages, hours and conditions.

they want lower cost because they know their customers want lower prices. Corporations are our slaves thank to Republican capitalism.


Liberals blame corporations because they are brainwashed marxist fools. Their arguments apply to customers, not the corporations who merely serve customers.

Originally Posted by Brutus

they want lower cost because they know their customers want lower prices. Corporations are our slaves thank to Republican capitalism.


Liberals blame corporations because they are brainwashed marxist fools. Their arguments apply to customers, not the corporations who merely serve customers.

Lower cost?
Have you been to a supermarket lately?
Have you filled your gas tank or paid a utility bill lately?
How you gone to a movie theatre lately.
Are you in dreamland?

I can buy another computer cheap, but that's on the bottom of my list.