Thread: Stop Coddling the super Rich

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I think he went way too far in his total rejection of private property but he was very embittered by his own experiences.

He knew that absolute power corrupts absolutely, but that's what Reps are supposedly there for.

Of course he was embittered by his own experience; losers often look to blame others for their failings.

As for what he did or did not know is irrelevant to whether or not he was a fool, what matters is the conclusions he drew from that knowledge.

He advocated an economic system that was simply not workable in the real world without granting the very power he supposedly recognized the threat of to the state.

Now, I have said before, and I will say it again, communism actually DOES work on a very small and limited scale, provided that every member of the society living under it agrees to it. It ceases to work if even a single member of the community does not readily accept it, because it then requires that the de facto state violate that individuals fundamental rights in order to keep the system from collapsing.

Originally Posted by Marcus1124

Now, I have said before, and I will say it again, communism actually DOES work on a very small and limited scale, provided that every member of the society living under it agrees to it. It ceases to work if even a single member of the community does not readily accept it, because it then requires that the de facto state violate that individuals fundamental rights in order to keep the system from collapsing.

Actually it doesn't work on even a small scale:

The Pilgrams in 1620 were a trial case in Communism.

Pilgrims Beat Communism With Free Market


"Writing in his diary of the dire economic straits and self-destructive behavior that consumed his fellow Puritans shortly after their arrival, Governor William Bradford painted a picture of destitute settlers selling their clothes and bed coverings for food while others “became servants to the Indians,” cutting wood and fetching water in exchange for “a capful of corn.” The most desperate among them starved, with Bradford recounting how one settler, in gathering shellfish along the shore, “was so weak … he stuck fast in the mud and was found dead in the place.”

The colony’s leaders identified the source of their problem as a particularly vile form of what Bradford called “communism.” Property in Plymouth Colony, he observed, was communally owned and cultivated. This system (“taking away of property and bringing [it] into a commonwealth”) bred “confusion and discontent” and “retarded much employment that would have been to [the settlers’] benefit and comfort.”

Brink of Extermination

The most able and fit young men in Plymouth thought it an “injustice” that they were paid the same as those “not able to do a quarter the other could.” Women, meanwhile, viewed the communal chores they were required to perform for others as a form of “slavery.”

On the brink of extermination, the Colony’s leaders changed course and allotted a parcel of land to each settler, hoping the private ownership of farmland would encourage self-sufficiency and lead to the cultivation of more corn and other foodstuffs.

As Adam Smith would have predicted, this new system worked famously. “This had very good success,” Bradford reported, “for it made all hands very industrious.” In fact, “much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been” and productivity increased. “Women,” for example, “went willingly into the field, and took their little ones with them to set corn.”

The famine that nearly wiped out the Pilgrims in 1623 gave way to a period of agricultural abundance that enabled the Massachusetts settlers to set down permanent roots in the New World, prosper, and play an indispensable role in the ultimate success of the American experiment.

A profoundly religious man, Bradford saw the hand of God in the Pilgrims’ economic recovery. Their success, he observed, “may well evince the vanity of that conceit...that the taking away of property... would make [men] happy and flourishing; as if they were wiser than God.” Bradford surmised, “God in his wisdom saw another course fitter for them.”

Capitalism taken to it's extreme leads to the same result (Irish famine). I advocate a balance.

Steve

machinehead61
Actually it doesn't work on even a small scale:

The Pilgrams in 1620 were a trial case in Communism.

Most monasteries are communist societies, and they work rather well, but again, that is limited to a small scale where every member of the community agrees to it, and I should add that the individual has chosen to submlimate all aspects of themselves to the community.

Originally Posted by Marcus1124

Most monasteries are communist societies, and they work rather well, but again, that is limited to a small scale where every member of the community agrees to it, and I should add that the individual has chosen to submlimate all aspects of themselves to the community.

In monastaries, if you break the rules, they kick you out.
Not so easy to do in the outside world.

Originally Posted by michael h

That is, supply had exceeded demand in some segments of the economy.

of course thats liberal and idiotic! supply equals demand unless people are really stupid and keep supplying more than demand, to lose money! Economics is not a subject for liberals.

Steve: Capitalism taken to it's extreme leads to the same result (Irish famine). I advocate a balance.

If capitalism led to the Irish famine I will pay you $10,000. Bet, or run away with your very ignorant liberal tail between your legs.

Originally Posted by michael h

Why Did the Administration Waive U.S. Law 46 Times to Help Foreign-Owned Shippers at the Expense of U.S. Maritime Workers?

simple, US Martime workers are lazy union slugs who can't compete in the free market.

Originally Posted by Brutus

simple, US Martime workers are lazy union slugs who can't compete in the free market.

machine, mike...
I suggest we ignore brutus until he can actually drop a personal anecdote or post a fact rather than just call all Americans stupid and lazy.

Originally Posted by Brutus

simple, US Martime workers are lazy union slugs who can't compete in the free market.

Don't embarrass yourself, give facts.

Originally Posted by Cudorp

Don't embarrass yourself, give facts.

To give respect to most of the other Cons on this forum we should not fuel the fire.

Originally Posted by Cudorp

Don't embarrass yourself, give facts.

If you doubt the facts why be such a lazy liberal ? Look them up yourself?

Originally Posted by michael h

Since nobody is reading Buffets thoughts I thought I would post a section.

and yet the top 1% now pay 40% of all Federal taxes, while under Reagan they paid only 22%. Sorry!!

This is called supply side economics. Drop the rate; yet collect far more revenue!! OMG!!! a liberal will always be so slow. I'm sorry but what other conclusion is possible?

Originally Posted by USCitizen

call all Americans stupid and lazy.

if I did that I will pay you $10,000. Bet??