Thread: Is Social Security a "Ponzi Scheme?"

Originally Posted by USCitizen

So how many civilized nations let their citizens rot when they reach a particulat age or suffer some infirmity "before their time".
I'm just getting tired of hearing how our Constitution is a pass to tell people to fvk off.

Have you ever been to a nursing home?

Originally Posted by John Drake

Y'know, everytime I see a response like this I hear my mother "...well, if Mark Moxley said it was alright to go jump in the lake I guess you'd..."

The cult of personality.
People keep forgetting to parse and verify what people say.
A guy wearing makeup might be correct once in a while but he's simply really good at reading cue cards and teleprompters.

Originally Posted by Commodore

Have you ever been to a nursing home?

So they'd all be better off under a bridge?

They might indeed be better off under the earth, yes, but I don't think wholesale euthanasia of all our less-advantaged seniors, healthy or not, is a better alternative to 3% higher taxes for the wealthy.

Originally Posted by Commodore

Have you ever been to a nursing home?

Bad question as the answer is yes.
My mother-in-law is in her late 80s and is suffering from Alheimer's.
The nursing home is beautiful and the staff is compassionate and takes excellent care of her.

I missed a lot of this thread. Are we at the point now where the argument is "if you're against Social Security, that means you want old people to die"? Because I'm always excited when we get to that point of utter vapidity.

Originally Posted by C-B-M

I missed a lot of this thread. Are we at the point now where the argument is "if you're against Social Security, that means you want old people to die"? Because I'm always excited when we get to that point of utter vapidity.

Why not just listen to Rush and Hannity?

Originally Posted by USCitizen

So how many civilized nations let their citizens rot when they reach a particular age or suffer some infirmity "before their time".
I'm just getting tired of hearing how our Constitution is a pass to tell people to fvk off.

Then amend it.

Originally Posted by USCitizen

Why not just listen to Rush and Hannity?

Wow, you sure showed me. That totally rebutts the argument that being opposed to Social Security means you want old people to die. Now I'm going to go home and cry for a while.

I like how if WE don't pay for HIS mother's nursing home, WE'RE telling people to "fvk off." This is a common rhetorical argument. It's like "if YOU don't pay for what I want, then you don't care." That's right. I actually DON'T care. The question is why don't YOU care. It's YOUR mom. Why don't you figure out how to take care of her while I figure out how to take care of MY mom? Like, if you hear people talk, it's like "I can't believe you don't care about old people." Oh, OK, well, why don't you pay for your mom's retirement if you care so much? "Because then I'd be bankrupt!" So you're admitting that you care about money more than your mom? See, we can both play the rhetorical card.

Originally Posted by John Drake

So they'd all be better off under a bridge?

They might indeed be better off under the earth, yes, but I don't think wholesale euthanasia of all our less-advantaged seniors, healthy or not, is a better alternative to 3% higher taxes for the wealthy.

I don't think euthanasia is the answer either, but nursing homes are a perfect example of the governments technical ability to keep you alive, but total inability to make life worth living. It doesn't matter how nice the facility is, or how kind the staff is, or how warm the blankets are, or how much the place doesn't smell, they are still nothing more than waiting rooms.

I know perfectly well why they exist. People don't have the time nor the technical skill to properly care for their own elders, and while much of the technical issues can be solved with technology and a little bit of education, the only way people will ever have the time in the home is if life supporting productivity is restored to the home to the point where at least one spouse can stay home.

It's that kind of capability that cuts every social "safety net" off at the knees, but it won't happen unless people have the courage to cut themselves out of the trap. It will require ingenuity from the bottom, a nudge from the top to create the necessity, the mother of all invention.

And thats why Perry has my support.