Thread: The Jobs Speech

Originally Posted by CYDdharta

People are always being hired. Most employers aren't hiring any more people than is absolutely necessary because of the anti-business atmosphere the White House has created, but that doesn't stop all hiring. In fact, some companies are making a killing off all the federal and state jobs funds that are floating around.

I've never heard of any business that has ever hired more people then they absolutely need.

And whats this anti-business atmosphere the White House has created? Companies have been making record profits for the last several years, taxes haven't gone up and the WH is actually suggesting lowering taxes again.

Originally Posted by goldfin5678

He proposed many elements that Republicans champion. Now that he brought up some of their ideas in his speech, will they still support those ideas?

Where will the money come from, especially with our deficit, with a cap on it?

In theory it would be fair if the rich paid their fair share of the taxes, but in reality, this is a bad time to propose it. It will just motivate the corporations who are paying the less taxes to take it out on the worker in the form of more un-employment.

What happened to all the money for roads and highways that was in the big bailout and stimulus of 2009? I see he is asking for more. Are our roads any better now than they were in 2009?

What about building all these schools in the package. Where are the teachers going to come from, if a lot of states are cutting back on teaching staffs as part of state budget reductions? Are the schools suppose to sit empty or under-staffed?

Giving employers their due tax credits as incentives to hire workers is a great idea. Ok, we would get our payroll taxes cut, but when we break it down, we get piddlings, let's say, I am single, no kids, so I would probably total a savings of $700 a year, so what is that a week, $13, and that is if they don't turn around like the last time they did this and take it away from us again in the form of some new tax they come up with.

After all that has happened, I feel like it is a big spin on the wheel, like another big risky gamble. Hey let's spend all this money, pass this legislation, and we will all benefit. Well, we had the Obamacare, the bailouts, the stimulus, and look at where we are. It is like I am looking at this thing and am almost afraid to see another $400 billion go somewhere that may not end up going to the right places. We need to carefully examine where every exact dollar of this is going to land before this gets approved.

Your concern is certainly warranted. "Neither party has a clue". If we simply cut to the bone it will not IMO develop DEMAND. NOR will putting everyone on in effect the USA PAYROLL. Maybe what we need is a 90 day world wide sit down strike by all consumers with no imports or exports save vital needs to shock the powers that be into meaningful negotiation.

Can we do 90 days on our own benzine ? Can China ? Can anyone ? It seems time to shit or get off the pot ? Isue trade war currency including electronic or contractual good only in the USA to each consumer or entity that will be reconverted after the 90 day activity if we in fact survive.

Do all the above by presidential executive order.

Originally Posted by wooyarn

I've never heard of any business that has ever hired more people then they absolutely need.

And whats this anti-business atmosphere the White House has created? Companies have been making record profits for the last several years, taxes haven't gone up and the WH is actually suggesting lowering taxes again.

Record profits, I don't think so. Have you not traveled across this country and seen all the empty store fronts, 10% unemployment and you talk about record profits.

Does anyone really see any difference in this stimulus that the last one that Obama wanted past so quickly it would keep unemployment under 8%. I can't find any difference.

More money to states to keep union teachers on the payroll same as before, more shovel ready projects to keep union hard hats working. Payroll tax cut same as before etc etc. This is just another short term fix that does nothing for the long term economy.

The real long term fix is going to be reforms starting with our tax code, trade, entitlements, opening up our recourses, restrain the NLRB and the EPA, and more.

Originally Posted by Commodore

He was brimming with frustration last night, throwing anything and everything at the wall in hopes that something will stick.

But he can't cover up two fundamental facts, we can't afford anything else without bleeding his sacred cow and source of power, entitlements, and even if we could, there was nothing was nothing of substance in the infrastructure proposals that would make a fundamental and lasting impact on the private sector, rendering it to be just another bubble.

Obama frustration in last night's speech? Absolutely.

As part of Obama's base and a DNC member, we on the left HAVE BEEN LOADING PRESSURE ON THE PRESIDENT. We are not going to tolerate cuts in Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid, and we have the leading liberal pundits from Ed Schultz to Bill Maher to Chris Mathews with us. President Obama knows we will drop him with a primary challenger if he does not deliver - BIG TIME. For what it is worth I removed my "Obama 2012" bumper sticker from my Jeep. IF it goes back on, it will be after The American Jobs Act passes.

At this point what Republicans think is unimportant. Last night's message was for the nation. I enjoyed watching Boehner, Ryan, and Canter break into a sweat everytime Obama said, "Pass this bill now!"

Oh, yeah the Republicans are about to receive the entire thrust of the Democratic Party against them. President Obama named a bridge in Kentucky he wants to rebuild. Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul know what is coming. They support the bridge or there will be a crushing blow from voters in that State. Democrats are prepared to fight the entire 2012 election in Kentucky if need be. Whatever it takes to get The American Jobs Act passed. Liberal Democrats will only accept a WIN from Obama if he wants a second term. President Obama needs to prove he is a strong negotiator. "We tried" will not cut it. Passage of the Amrerican Jobs Act is MANDATORY for President Obama to survive politically.

You can not possibly believe that with the Republican mantra "Remove Obama at any cost," that we Dems were not reacting. This legislation will be passed or Dems will crush Republicans with their own voters.

Now if Republicans would just nominate Rick Perry, the Democratic Partie's Christmas wish list will be complete. The Democratic base, big labor, the pundits, and working class people across America have been eager for this opportunity to pass The American Jobs Act or shred the Republican Party. This is war, we are taking no prisioners this time. Obama must deliver or no second term. The threat is not Republicans, it is us Dems. Got it?

Obama hasn't shown the ability to deliver. Now, he wants another $400,000,000,000 in debt to spend on ineffective, boondoggle projects. There is no reason to expect them to turn out any better than the Solyndra debacle.

Originally Posted by Latterbach

Obama frustration in last night's speech? Absolutely.

As part of Obama's base and a DNC member, we on the left HAVE BEEN LOADING PRESSURE ON THE PRESIDENT. We are not going to tolerate cuts in Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid, and we have the leading liberal pundits from Ed Schultz to Bill Maher to Chris Mathews with us. President Obama knows we will drop him with a primary challenger if he does not deliver - BIG TIME. For what it is worth I removed my "Obama 2012" bumper sticker from my Jeep. IF it goes back on, it will be after The American Jobs Act passes.

At this point what Republicans think is unimportant. Last night's message was for the nation. I enjoyed watching Boehner, Ryan, and Canter break into a sweat everytime Obama said, "Pass this bill now!"

Oh, yeah the Republicans are about to receive the entire thrust of the Democratic Party against them. President Obama named a bridge in Kentucky he wants to rebuild. Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul know what is coming. They support the bridge or there will be a crushing blow from voters in that State. Democrats are prepared to fight the entire 2012 election in Kentucky if need be. Whatever it takes to get The American Jobs Act passed. Liberal Democrats will only accept a WIN from Obama if he wants a second term. President Obama needs to prove he is a strong negotiator. "We tried" will not cut it. Passage of the Amrerican Jobs Act is MANDATORY for President Obama to survive politically.

You can not possibly believe that with the Republican mantra "Remove Obama at any cost," that we Dems were not reacting. This legislation will be passed or Dems will crush Republicans with their own voters.

Now if Republicans would just nominate Rick Perry, the Democratic Partie's Christmas wish list will be complete. The Democratic base, big labor, the pundits, and working class people across America have been eager for this opportunity to pass The American Jobs Act or shred the Republican Party. This is war, we are taking no prisioners this time. Obama must deliver or no second term. The threat is not Republicans, it is us Dems. Got it?

You can almost see the veins standing out on his neck.

But we simply must ''get this bill passed'' so that the money can reach unions which will give the larger part of it back to Obama in the form of campaign donations.That Obama is frustrated is apperrent and many of the guffaws were coming from his own party. Seems that only the true Pelosi ''idiot progressives'' can have a sense of him hitting a home run every time he opens his mouth. Wish the markets would see it that way.Our roads are dam sure not in bad enough shape to give money away to unions wanting to put this pretender of a POTUS bach in. He's right,,,we dam sure can't afford to wait 14 months to him get reelected.

Originally Posted by Unique POV

It's not a fix. It's an aid.

And that's what's wrong with it. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

If they are going to spend another half trillion dollars why not in training programs to upgrade unemployed workers to fill all those high tech positions where the companies are seeking wavers to import trained workers?

You know why....because a training program won't reduce unemployment in time for the election.

I always wonder what the point of schools are if we need training programs.

Originally Posted by wooyarn

I've never heard of any business that has ever hired more people then they absolutely need.

You've never heard of temp agencies? I don't work for one, but its only a half-step away. It doesn't cost them anything to have me sit at home not getting paid waiting for my next assignment.

Originally Posted by wooyarn

And whats this anti-business atmosphere the White House has created? Companies have been making record profits for the last several years, taxes haven't gone up and the WH is actually suggesting lowering taxes again.

Listen to the people who actually run businesses;

The business community has "no confidence" in the Obama administration, he added.

"There is a sense in the business community, not just for big business but for business all over, that this is an anti-business administration, and that's the way they started out with that attitude."

Obama Administration is 'Anti-Business': Mort Zuckerman

IBD: What's the single biggest impediment to job growth today?

Marcus: The U.S. government. Having built a small business into a big one, I can tell you that today the impediments that the government imposes are impossible to deal with. Home Depot would never have succeeded if we'd tried to start it today. Every day you see rules and regulations from a group of Washington bureaucrats who know nothing about running a business. And I mean every day. It's become stifling.

If you're a small businessman, the only way to deal with it is to work harder, put in more hours, and let people go. When you consider that something like 70% of the American people work for small businesses, you are talking about a big economic impact.

Home Depot Co-Founder: Obama Is Choking Recovery - Investors.com

And I'm saying it bluntly, that this administration is the greatest wet blanket to business, and progress and job creation in my lifetime. And I can prove it and I could spend the next 3 hours giving you examples of all of us in this market place that are frightened to death about all the new regulations, our healthcare costs escalate, regulations coming from left and right. A President that seems, that keeps using that word redistribution. Well, my customers and the companies that provide the vitality for the hospitality and restaurant industry, in the United States of America, they are frightened of this administration.And it makes you slow down and not invest your money. Everybody complains about how much money is on the side in America.

You bet and until we change the tempo and the conversation from Washington, it's not going to change. And those of us who have business opportunities and the capital to do it are going to sit in fear of the President. And a lot of people don't want to say that. They'll say, God, don't be attacking Obama. Well, this is Obama's deal and it's Obama that's responsible for this fear in America.

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Originally Posted by JDJarvis

How many times does it have to be repeated for you to understand this:

For every job opening there are 5 people. That means one person will find a job, 4 will not. As the unemployment rate stays where it is there will consistently be 5 people for every one job opening. This will be the state of things until there are far more jobs available.

4 frikken years!!! How many times does that need to be repeated for you to understand? Jobs are constantly being opened and filled; it isn’t the same openings looking for people with the same skills. The only constant is this half a percent (of US population) that still hasn’t gotten a job. As I said before, I know it’s tough, but there are jobs out there.

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

They've earned it by being bad people and being kicked to curb by their former employers. The hundreds upon hundreds of resumes they've sent out and countless phone-calls they've made, and the doors they've knocked on have all been a sham becasue they really like not earning a penny and having to make do with far less than before.:rolleyes:

Welfare is only for bad people; who knew? If welfare wasn’t made for people who can’t find work for years on end, what is its purpose?

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

I know a gentleman who was laid off about 5 years ago, he hasn't worked outside of temp job for years, his longest job was several weeks at the I.R.S. during tax season. He's not lazy, he's not employed. His mistake was being laid off in his 50's after working in the same career for decades.

If he’s worked, even temp jobs and seasonal work, then he hasn’t been unemployed since the day Obama was inaugurated.

Originally Posted by CYDdharta

4 frikken years!!! How many times does that need to be repeated for you to understand? Jobs are constantly being opened and filled; it isn’t the same openings looking for people with the same skills. The only constant is this half a percent (of US population) that still hasn’t gotten a job. As I said before, I know it’s tough, but there are jobs out there.

Welfare is only for bad people; who knew? If welfare wasn’t made for people who can’t find work for years on end, what is its purpose?

If he’s worked, even temp jobs and seasonal work, then he hasn’t been unemployed since the day Obama was inaugurated.

ahoy CYDdarta,

respectfully matey, yer insistence belies the statistical reality that thar be only one job fer every five folks lookin'.

as JDJarvis said, if five folks go out lookin' fer a job, only one person be comin' back with a paycheck. ye can't try harder to find somethin' that doesn't exist. this also, 'o course, drives wages down fer them folks who do happen to get hired, because employers (like meself) have the whip hand.

thems the facts.

- MeadHallPirate