Thread: Free Trade vs Protectionism

Ask a Libertatian or Conservative for explicit examples of where authority overrides freedom and you'll get silence.
I wonder how many of them making 35K a year could afford privatived garbage pickup?

Originally Posted by USCitizen

Ask a Libertatian or Conservative for explicit examples of where authority overrides freedom and you'll get silence.
I wonder how many of them making 35K a year could afford privatived garbage pickup?

I make more but how hard is it to put the garbage in your car and haul it to the dump?

Originally Posted by USCitizen

Ask a Libertatian or Conservative for explicit examples of where authority overrides freedom and you'll get silence.
I wonder how many of them making 35K a year could afford privatived garbage pickup?

Since it would most likely be cheaper and work better than government pickup...pretty easy I'd say.

As for specific examples of authority overriding freedom. Well let's start with the speed limit, we can move on from there to carrying whatever personal weapons we choose, building permits, zoning laws. Want some more?

Originally Posted by 9aces

Since it would most likely be cheaper and work better than government pickup...pretty easy I'd say.

As for specific examples of authority overriding freedom. Well let's start with the speed limit, we can move on from there to carrying whatever personal weapons we choose, building permits, zoning laws. Want some more?

Yes.
I actually like the fact that you recognize the need for building permits and zoning laws.
I get the feeling that many Cons reject these limitations on public safety and communal aestheics.

Originally Posted by Wlessard

I make more but how hard is it to put the garbage in your car and haul it to the dump?

I don't know; did you ever give it a try?

Originally Posted by 9aces

Since it would most likely be cheaper and work better than government pickup...pretty easy I'd say.

As for specific examples of authority overriding freedom. Well let's start with the speed limit, we can move on from there to carrying whatever personal weapons we choose, building permits, zoning laws. Want some more?

Excellent!
Aqua Water just lost a load of contracts because the Hempstead Water Department provided far superior service at one third the cost.

Originally Posted by JohnLocke

As a Libertarian, I can support only collective bargaining and intellectual property. Why do you get the feeling Libertarians are against these things, particularly, intellectual property?

So you do support banning imports or applying tariffs on companies that use pirated software, patented processes, and/or copyrighted material in the production or sale of goods?

Would you also support banning or applying tariffs on products produced by countries, like China, where attempts at unauthorized unionization can land you in jail?

Originally Posted by Wlessard

So what about someone like me?

I have worked my ass off for over 10 years, sheesh when I think about it close to 15 years building a business, employing 3 people and between my wife and I we take home a bit over 100K. I would love to know how that money was GIVEN to me when I have had many a week at 100+ hours.

What about all the small business owners that have put blood and sweat into their businesses. They didn't just get money GIVEN to them.

I'm not necessarily talking about the money being initially given to them. Sam Walton worked his ass off to make his money. In the beginning. In the end, he had more money coming to him simply because he owned so much. He went from struggling business owner, to successful business owner, to rich man. If you're working for your business and making a 100k from it, you're somewhere between struggling or successful business owner (depending on your industry and location). If it all takes off for you and all you have to do is sit around and read statements from your investment banker and team of accountants, then you'll be rich.

Originally Posted by USCitizen

Yes.
I actually like the fact that you recognize the need for building permits and zoning laws.
I get the feeling that many Cons reject these limitations on public safety and communal aestheics.

Where did you get the idea I approved of those? You said override, as in prevent.

Most people who approve of individual responsibility do reject them, as they should.

Originally Posted by Porras

I'm not necessarily talking about the money being initially given to them. Sam Walton worked his ass off to make his money. In the beginning. In the end, he had more money coming to him simply because he owned so much. He went from struggling business owner, to successful business owner, to rich man. If you're working for your business and making a 100k from it, you're somewhere between struggling or successful business owner (depending on your industry and location). If it all takes off for you and all you have to do is sit around and read statements from your investment banker and team of accountants, then you'll be rich.

Sam was still working his ass off when he became rich. You simply aren't as smart, lucky or work a fraction as hard.

That's why you're never going to be rich, you're waiting for someone else to do it for you.

Originally Posted by USCitizen

Excellent!
Aqua Water just lost a load of contracts because the Hempstead Water Department provided far superior service at one third the cost.

You do know Hempstead Water Department is a private company right? Shows to be incorporated in New York under Water and Sewage Companies-Utility.

Originally Posted by USCitizen

Ask a Libertatian or Conservative for explicit examples of where authority overrides freedom and you'll get silence.
I wonder how many of them making 35K a year could afford privatived garbage pickup?

Why the personal insults? Have you ever actually asked a Libertarian where authority overrides freedom? There is a quote from Thomas Jefferson that answers is eloquently.

Originally Posted by 9aces

I dunno John, equal opportunity is pretty good. I will admit Libertarians and Individualists define that differently than what liberals mean by the term.

So called equal opportunity is a subset of government interfering with private choices or compelling certain choices.