Thread: Liberal Income Redistribution Policies - They Don't Work

Is medical care a luxury or a right?

Originally Posted by goober

Although lack of medical care results in 45,000 deaths/year in the US...
Harvard Medical Study Links Lack of Insurance to 45,000 U.S. Deaths a Year - NYTimes.com

Medical care isn't health insurance. The study discusses the health impact of being unisrured and having private insurance. A curious distinction there in the benefit of private health insurance.

Originally Posted by USCitizen

If you were middle class and your job was offshored and you're willing to put a lein against your property; yep, everyone has access to medical care in the US.

So what should the rest of us be paying for, your shelter or your healthcare?

Basic Universal Healthcare paid by through VAT taxes, Tariffs and income tax for those individuals making over $100,000. FDR's right of every American to work, jobs paid for though VAT taxes, Tariffs and income tax for those individuals making over $100,000.

Originally Posted by PeterUK75

Do you honestly think that as soon as someone becomes rich they will start a business or hire people rather than doing what I'd expect most people to do which is spend it on their family and friends?

This is part of the invisible hand that Adam Smith wrote about. The rich create jobs - not because they aspire to - but because it is an inevitable side effect of whatever they do with their money (since they don't stick it under a mattress).

Originally Posted by Bfgrn

Did you factor in at least $3 trillion in wealth transferred from the poor and the middle class to the opulent

LOL, Your idea that higher taxes CREATES prosperity is really funny! If I make a $ and it is taken, how am I more prosperous?

Originally Posted by PeterUK75

So the only reason the poor are poor is because they are lazy?

Nobody said that is the only reason, however, it is the primary reason they stay poor.

Originally Posted by PeterUK75

I also have a problem with the only way to become rich is to own or run a business

I have a problem with the fact that I cannot fly without mechanical assistance or survive very long in a vacuum, however, I accept these realities as just that - reality.

You have other suggestions on how one can become wealthy other than providing a good or service the market decides is needed in exchange for profit?

We'll wait...

Originally Posted by PeterUK75

as what about the people who are just paid a lot and never start a business or employ anyone?

What about them? I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

Originally Posted by JohnLocke

LOL, Your idea that higher taxes CREATES prosperity is really funny! If I make a $ and it is taken, how am I more prosperous?

Yep - right up there with fucking for virginity...

Originally Posted by PeterUK75

I'd much rather be poor in Europe than the US. I also don't believe that report for a second as if being poor in the US was so hunky dory why would you have so many on food stamps or who lack any medical care whatsoever.

I don't care if you believe it or not. Facts are facts. What is considered poor in the US would be considered a hell of a good life in much of the world.

You ought to see what the "poor" around here have. Decent apartment, at least one car, usually one per adult. Cell phones, at least a couple of TVs, a bigger refrigerator than most Europeans, all the usual kitchen appliances (coffee maker, stove, microwave, dishwasher, etc). Fully furnished apartments. Food paid for by my tax dollars (not my fault if they choose to buy beer and crack). Job training if they want it. Subsidised telephone and cable service. Want me to go on?

A lot of people choose to live that life because it is easy. It requires nothing of them except staying out of jail.

BTW - whoever told you the poor lack any medical care whatsoever lied to you - plain and simple.

Originally Posted by teaser47401

Basic Universal Healthcare paid by through VAT taxes,

Already exists and we don't have VAT here.

Originally Posted by teaser47401

Tariffs and income tax for those individuals making over $100,000.

Eliminating the income tax for those making under 100K? No problem - bring it on. I promise you son, there will be a LOT of extremely wealthy people making $99,999.99 per year.

Originally Posted by teaser47401

FDR's right of every American to work,

FDR could have said you have a right to have 3 houses with 2 BMWs in each, but it doesnt make it reality.

You have no right to a job. End of discussion.

Originally Posted by teaser47401

jobs paid for though VAT taxes,

And what kind of jobs are those which would be paid for by this non-existent VAT?

Originally Posted by teaser47401

Tariffs and income tax for those individuals making over $100,000.

Once again - bring it on. I promise you - there ill be a lot of people making $99,999.99 per year who will live far better than you ever will.

You haven't a clue what you're talking about, do you?

Originally Posted by goober

Although lack of medical care results in 45,000 deaths/year in the US...
Harvard Medical Study Links Lack of Insurance to 45,000 U.S. Deaths a Year - NYTimes.com

They can link whatever they want to a lack of insurance, but, you will note if you actually read the data, the report never claims the deaths are actually CAUSED by it.

There has not been a single death ever due to a lack of insurance. Lack of care? Perhaps. Lack of insurance? Not a chance.

Originally Posted by teaser47401

Basic Universal Healthcare paid by through VAT taxes, Tariffs and income tax for those individuals making over $100,000. FDR's right of every American to work, jobs paid for though VAT taxes, Tariffs and income tax for those individuals making over $100,000.

Or we could just shoot all the useless, non-contributing fucktards who make less than $100,000 a year.

Like, maybe we could all pool our money and hire Blackwater or something.

"Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Drown that man and there'll be that much more for the rest of us."

Originally Posted by HonorsDaddy

Originally Posted by PeterUK75

So the only reason the poor are poor is because they are lazy?

Nobody said that is the only reason, however, it is the primary reason they stay poor.

I disagree. Some poor are poor because they are lazy. Most are poor because they choose to be. Not necessarily actively, explicitly choose to be, but close enough. Can I choose to step off the Golden Gate Bridge but claim that I did not choose to die? Can I claim I merely chose to count a stack of money while walking around a bad neighborhood alone at 2AM on a hot summer night, but did not choose to be mugged? Poor people choose to not educate themselves, to drink and/or do drugs, to spend beyond their means, to involve themselves in unhealthy relationships, and/or to have children they cannot afford. Every poor person I've known in any detail fits one or more of those criteria.

Originally Posted by soot

Or we could just shoot all the useless, non-contributing fucktards who make less than $100,000 a year.

I don't see where the dollar figure comes into play in this otherwise good idea...

Originally Posted by soot

"Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Drown that man and there'll be that much more for the rest of us."