Thread: The Real Causes of Income Inequality

Originally Posted by USCitizen

Let's land back on planet reality.
STEM jobs go to India, manufacturing goes to China.
Someone THERE is guaranteed employment by a supposed US corporation.

Thats because of cost......Do you expect that the unions wanted to be competitive? I worked manufacturing most my adult life I know what killed that golden goose. Taxes and greedy socialists/communists.....You know them as unions and politicians.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

How wrong you are!!!!!!! The job is the Governments to give away dammit!!!!!!!! Capitalism failed!!!!! Even if it was our practice of socialism that made it fail!!!!!

Join your local Republican club and you will find out about cronyism and I bet you won't have the balls to speak up.
Go to Townhall and apply for a job.
Then wait 1,000 years for them to call back.
Both parties operate the same way but you're gonna reply, "Only the Democrats do it!".
And that's why they get away with it.

Originally Posted by USCitizen

When GW passed a law no longer requiring an American an interview for ANY position he flushed our economy down the drain.
It WILL affect your pension and portfolio eventually; it has to.

What law was that and if by GW you mean Bush I, when exactly did the President gain the unilateral power to pass a law, especially one which micromanages employment practices on such a level?

There has never been a requirement that an American interview for anything. There was no such law as you are implying.

Originally Posted by USCitizen

Join your local Republican club and you will find out about cronyism and I bet you won't have the balls to speak up.
Go to Townhall and apply for a job.
Then wait 1,000 years for them to call back.
Both parties operate the same way but you're gonna reply, "Only the Democrats do it!".
And that's why they get away with it.

Could you translate that into English for me?

I don't know of any local Republican club.

The only Townhall of which I am aware is Townhall Magazine and if i wanted to work for them, I would become a columnist. Otherwise I have no skills they would want.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

Thats because of cost......Do you expect that the unions wanted to be competitive? I worked manufacturing most my adult life I know what killed that golden goose. Taxes and greedy socialists/communists.....You know them as unions and politicians.

And I worked on Wall Street with Indians who took upwards of 5 years at enormous cost to produce systems that took Americans a year to complete at maybe one tenth the cost.
As long as the President of the department could show quarterly savings he was rewarded with a very nice annual bonus.
People have to understand that large corporations don't look at the whole picture, they only look at the quarterly picture.

Originally Posted by HonorsDaddy

You could say that too - in fact, thats a little cleaner than i managed to get it out - thanks - my day has been a bit hairy and not as eloquent as usual.

Either way - since a company's primary function is to make money and in fact, it is the sole reason for existence, why would you have a problem with a company making an intelligent business move to reduce operating expenses?

Neither GE nor any other company owes anyone a job.

I 100% agree US Corporations owe nobody a job ... nor should they be forced to invest in America. Their function is the bottom line.

I can't see why their foreign made products (China) get market access to America ... maybe initially it was OK, however after harm was displayed, it should have ended. Its great they can take bigger margins and be more profitable. I just can't see exchanging our countries prosperity for their foreign made products.

Life, liberty, property. Do not harm your society. I'm American, that's my society... and harm is caused. If we were a world government, I would say there is no harm

Originally Posted by HonorsDaddy

Could you translate that into English for me?

I don't know of any local Republican club.

The only Townhall of which I am aware is Townhall Magazine and if i wanted to work for them, I would become a columnist. Otherwise I have no skills they would want.

You don't have any local Republican or Democratic clubs?
No Town Hall?
Do you live in a small city?

Originally Posted by HonorsDaddy

What law was that and if by GW you mean Bush I, when exactly did the President gain the unilateral power to pass a law, especially one which micromanages employment practices on such a level?

There has never been a requirement that an American interview for anything. There was no such law as you are implying.

I have to ask around; it was somewhere around 2004-2006 where the requirement to find a qualified US citizen was dropped.
That's why many companies took over a year and had to interview a certain quota of Americans before bringing in an H1-B.

Originally Posted by michael h

I 100% agree US Corporations owe nobody a job ... nor should they be forced to invest in America. Their function is the bottom line.

I can't see why their foreign made products get market access to America ... maybe initially it was OK, however after harm was displayed, it should have ended. Its great they can take bigger margins and be more profitable. I just can't see exchanging our countries prosperity for their foreign made products.

Life, liberty, property. Do not harm your society. I'm American, that's my society... and harm is caused. If we were a world government, I would say there is no harm

So we stop Buying all foreign goods....Then what? Do we magically have the ability to make these products cheaper?????????????cause I have to tell you a secret....It wasn't that they decided it would be easier to make Televisions in Japan it was they made them cheaper cause labor costs were half of ours and taxes were a damn sight better.....There is nothing Americans cant make.......But Americans refuse to make things at a competitive rate. We can all thank the mighty unions that told labor they deserved more than just working for a paycheck. Jealousy killed American jobs more than any other factor.

Originally Posted by USCitizen

Both parties operate the same way but you're gonna reply, "Only the Democrats do it!".
And that's why they get away with it.

That's why the Democrats get away with it?

I don't understand that at all.

Originally Posted by soot

That's why the Democrats get away with it?

I don't understand that at all.

Until everybody gets vocally angry at BOTH parties, those who think only the Democrats are pulling favors, the Republicans will continue to laugh all the way to the bank.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

So we stop Buying all foreign goods....Then what? Do we magically have the ability to make these products cheaper?????????????cause I have to tell you a secret....It wasn't that they decided it would be easier to make Televisions in Japan it was they made them cheaper cause labor costs were half of ours and taxes were a damn sight better.....There is nothing Americans cant make.......But Americans refuse to make things at a competitive rate. We can all thank the mighty unions that told labor they deserved more than just working for a paycheck. Jealousy killed American jobs more than any other factor.

Once again, think carefully about the product you are touting.
TVs and gadgets are not important in my life.
Necessary appliances are the same price as they were before manufacturing was shipped off to Authoritarian China.
MNC profits are up and that's good for investors.
But we only have about 300,000 US investors who live on their investments.
That's out of about 360,000,000 Americans plus the illegals and business visas who live here; many suckered by promises of a greater reward for their work than they actually get.
The key is Comparative Advantage where both nations and citizens can gain.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

So we stop Buying all foreign goods....Then what? Do we magically have the ability to make these products cheaper?????????????cause I have to tell you a secret....It wasn't that they decided it would be easier to make Televisions in Japan it was they made them cheaper cause labor costs were half of ours and taxes were a damn sight better.....There is nothing Americans cant make.......But Americans refuse to make things at a competitive rate. We can all thank the mighty unions that told labor they deserved more than just working for a paycheck. Jealousy killed American jobs more than any other factor.

While the Japanese never really opened their markets ... comparable wages make trade have a benefit. I'd condone any trade that doesn't damage the country. Bottom line unions went south with effort and then went south period. How many times has a lack of union power been pointed out?

So I save a $100 dollars a year and watch my country go down the shitter because of it ... how does that give me a benefit? If I could eat an Iphone or pay my mortgage with it I might value it more. I'm typing on a computer ... probably made in China. Would I pay more for my country to be better off ... yes.

It's just not worth the savings to see my country in the shitter.