Thread: The Real Causes of Income Inequality

Originally Posted by 9aces

Brother in law was a member of the pipefitter's union. Helped build Brown's Ferry Nuclear Plant.

So yes, I'm rather familiar with them and how they operate.

In the northeast they are exceptional ... a pleasure to work with, it is the one union I've respected. Now I didn't pay the bills, but my owner and plant manager were quite pleased with their performance. Don't call them plumbers though ... they will ride your ass for it, then you have to repeat the mistake to torment them back.

I work out at the gym with a pipe fitter.
Hates unions, Obama.
Thinks the crash occured under Obama.

Listens to Rush.

Originally Posted by USCitizen

The Cons on this forum seem to have orgasms over their perception of hard work for little pay.
It seems to make them feel manly.

I believe and have stated this several times, honest days pay for an honest days work.

You slack working for me and I will happily fire your ass for someone who will do the job for the pay they agreed upon with me.

BTW my comment about affirmative action physicians is more strawman probably looking at again. It definable is not ad hominem.

Originally Posted by USCitizen

Atlas Shrugged did really well at the box office.
I think about 10 of her besotted fans had enough discretionary income left after paying their bills to be able to see it.
That was Part 1; I wonder if it made enough of a profit to warrant Part 2.
Maybe Grober Norquist will invest some of his "hard earned" milions.

Atlas Shrugged: Part 2 - Either-Or (2012) - IMDb

Originally Posted by Wlessard

I believe and have stated this several times, honest days pay for an honest days work.

You slack working for me and I will happily fire your ass for someone who will do the job for the pay they agreed upon with me.

BTW my comment about affirmative action physicians is more strawman probably looking at again. It definable is not ad hominem.

Ooh, sooooo macho.
And how many people have you really met that don't earn their pay?
Certainly your $15.00/hour network wizards earn their pay.

Any business that depends on Institutional Trading showing profits by quarterly positions doesn't care about "hard work", it cares about cutting costs, unless, like Apple, it has an outstanding product line that more than offsets the cost of quality.
Apple, Samsung, LG.

There are few companies to jump to mind when I think OUTSTANDING quality.
Certainly not Gateway, HP, Dell; that why I bought the new iPad.

Microsoft? I have to pay hundreds for an Office when I can get the equivalent from Apple for a fraction of the price?
IBM? Another firm that lives off the goverment's teat?

Certainly financial firms don't care about anything but quarterly perception.
After all, what products do they sell except for the supposed ability to buy large positions in promising investments.
You know, like, uh, JP Morgan.

Originally Posted by USCitizen

To be realistic, can I start a business by selling the $300.00 worth of stuff in my closet if I can't even pay my mortgage.

People have started veritable empires with less.

Originally Posted by USCitizen

They train to the test which is a criticism that Republicans have for US education.
They are paid considerably less but their schooling probably cost less.
They are not forced to purchase 4 million in liability insurance.
They consistently prescribed the wrong mix of meds for my MIL.
There are plenty of non excellent MDs but I can select a primary and specialists.
When one is admitted to a hospital's emergency room, there are not many options to choose from.

I'm getting a little tired of saying "BULLSHIT" to your posts.

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data"...

Originally Posted by HonorsDaddy

People have started veritable empires with less.

Yes, luck and longshots do happen. But let us not try to make anyone think it is anything but super rare. Not that I would advise against trying, but don't structure average american opportunity based upon such long shots. But isn't that sorta what the right side cites as the way to get rich too? They offer long shots as "hope"? And chide you when you don't succeed, because you didn't work hard enough?

We send your middle class job to communist china, then we blast you because you are lazy and don't start your own successful business, using that unemployment income as start up capital? I swear this is the attitude I see on Fox and hear on right wing talk radio, like ole Neil Bortz. Why such a poor attitude from the right on america's working people who are in dire straits and having to use social safety nets to feed their kids? All the right is concerned about is cutting those social safety nets, as american jobs continue to bleed off to communist china.

And of course the way to help americans is to cut social safety nets, reduce taxes, and get tax breaks for our business to move to communist china. Cutting taxes on the top 10 per cent will create jobs in small business. Except they forgot about the "DEMAND" that drives putting folks back to work in service jobs. Seems to me, we ought to work on creating more demand, which would then entice small business into hiring folks to meet that extra demand. Bottom up worked after ww2, and top down is what we have now. Top down isn't working, as the middle has shrunk since we moved to the trickle down theory.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

Neil Bortz

USPOL needs an ICON to warn of oncoming nausea.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

Yes, luck and longshots do happen. But let us not try to make anyone think it is anything but super rare. Not that I would advise against trying, but don't structure average american opportunity based upon such long shots. But isn't that sorta what the right side cites as the way to get rich too? They offer long shots as "hope"? And chide you when you don't succeed, because you didn't work hard enough?

We send your middle class job to communist china, then we blast you because you are lazy and don't start your own successful business, using that unemployment income as start up capital? I swear this is the attitude I see on Fox and hear on right wing talk radio, like ole Neil Bortz. Why such a poor attitude from the right on america's working people who are in dire straits and having to use social safety nets to feed their kids? All the right is concerned about is cutting those social safety nets, as american jobs continue to bleed off to communist china.

And of course the way to help americans is to cut social safety nets, reduce taxes, and get tax breaks for our business to move to communist china. Cutting taxes on the top 10 per cent will create jobs in small business. Except they forgot about the "DEMAND" that drives putting folks back to work in service jobs. Seems to me, we ought to work on creating more demand, which would then entice small business into hiring folks to meet that extra demand. Bottom up worked after ww2, and top down is what we have now. Top down isn't working, as the middle has shrunk since we moved to the trickle down theory.

Face it, BD, you're just a lazy commie.
BTW, the US is simply swarming with billionaires who started with nothing after being replaced by a super-human from a nation with no toilets.
They're just disguising themselves as under or unemployed so they don't have to pay that enormous 11-15% tax.

Originally Posted by Blue Doggy

Yes, luck and longshots do happen. But let us not try to make anyone think it is anything but super rare. Not that I would advise against trying, but don't structure average american opportunity based upon such long shots. But isn't that sorta what the right side cites as the way to get rich too? They offer long shots as "hope"? And chide you when you don't succeed, because you didn't work hard enough?

We send your middle class job to communist china, then we blast you because you are lazy and don't start your own successful business, using that unemployment income as start up capital? I swear this is the attitude I see on Fox and hear on right wing talk radio, like ole Neil Bortz. Why such a poor attitude from the right on america's working people who are in dire straits and having to use social safety nets to feed their kids? All the right is concerned about is cutting those social safety nets, as american jobs continue to bleed off to communist china.

And of course the way to help americans is to cut social safety nets, reduce taxes, and get tax breaks for our business to move to communist china. Cutting taxes on the top 10 per cent will create jobs in small business. Except they forgot about the "DEMAND" that drives putting folks back to work in service jobs. Seems to me, we ought to work on creating more demand, which would then entice small business into hiring folks to meet that extra demand. Bottom up worked after ww2, and top down is what we have now. Top down isn't working, as the middle has shrunk since we moved to the trickle down theory.

Small business is no longer a job creating machine. That's just a fact ... you can blame it on available capital or lending requirements ... its no longer there.

On the exported jobs and blame gaming:

Millions of jobs are exiting the country after the dot.com bubble, so you are coming out of the bubble, losing manufacturing jobs, and financial capital starts to return. The FED lowers interest rates ... it was the smart thing to do. Now low rates increase home values along with speculation. People start flipping homes, construction starts to increase from the low rates. By 2003 construction is heating up ... everyone, lenders and borrowers see prices increasing, its all good. The FED knows manufacturing is exiting the US as construction increases ... rates remain low. Right here the economy is balancing the exit of jobs to China.
Your the FED chairman ... what do you do? The economy is recovering from the Dot.com bubble ... construction is replacing manufacturing, do you shut down the spigot? Wealth is being created by home values ... if you raise rates ... home values will go down. From the end of 04 to early 06 the FED would run its rate from 1% to 5% ... good move ... a little late, still a good move. Lmao the 10yr TIPS moved 1% ... that right 1%, as a result of a 4% move by the FED. You couldn't stop the capital train ... the loss of manufacturing jobs had increased the trade deficit to much ... China had already stocked its reserves and money came flowing out of China.

Do you when your know the underlying economy is shit ... shut down the only engine for job growth? The FED's balls were in a vise ... a result of exporting 50,000 plus factories.

Originally Posted by michael h

Small business is no longer a job creating machine. That's just a fact ... you can blame it on available capital or lending requirements ... its no longer there.

The sad fact is that if you are an illegal or a visa who's been fired, Hempstead Turnpike, from Queens all along Nassau County, has a low wage job for you.
Big business leaves and small business needs cheap labor to survive.

Originally Posted by USCitizen

The sad fact is that if you are an illegal or a visa who's been fired, Hempstead Turnpike, from Queens all along Nassau County, has a low wage job for you.
Big business leaves and small business needs cheap labor to survive.

The greatest benefit to lower wages for small business ... MNC's exporting the economy. They need lower wage employees to survive.