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    Re: 1st Quarter GDP - Obama Goes Up, Economy Goes Down

    Quote Originally Posted by michael h View Post
    Obviously an open market for labor is the best solution ... not the machinations of unions and owners. The problem is this doesn't happen. Recent non competition agreements by corporations are in court. Owner power managed to get our markets opened to China. Hell Taft Hartley repeal brought down unions ... by a "union" of manufacturers.

    You can't have an open market for labor when you have prosperity exported, illegal immigrants, H1B's, non competition agreements opposed by union pressure attempting the opposite on the other side.
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    Re: 1st Quarter GDP - Obama Goes Up, Economy Goes Down

    Quote Originally Posted by USCitizen View Post
    I just love a rolled up statistic...Yep, Rush does EXACTLY the same thing.

    I live in reality and I am in the 1% and believe me, if the US is depending on my taxes we may as well shut the US down.
    Wait!...That's what the Republicans want to do!
    What union do you belong to?

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    Re: 1st Quarter GDP - Obama Goes Up, Economy Goes Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Forplay View Post
    What union do you belong to?
    Local 880 in Nassau County and I agree that there are no standards for position or pay.
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    Re: 1st Quarter GDP - Obama Goes Up, Economy Goes Down

    Quote Originally Posted by USCitizen View Post
    Local 880 in Nassau County and I agree that there are no standards for position or pay.
    Well, that makes it official...

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    Re: 1st Quarter GDP - Obama Goes Up, Economy Goes Down

    Quote Originally Posted by USCitizen View Post
    So move into an area where everybody has strong property rights.
    BUT, who's need an architect when there are no rules?
    Strong property rights would make it easy to sue the shit outta someone for doing a bad job.
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    Re: 1st Quarter GDP - Obama Goes Up, Economy Goes Down

    Quote Originally Posted by USCitizen View Post
    Let's see...
    You work for AT&T until they replace you.
    You work for IBM until they replace you.
    You work for Dunkin' Donuts until they replace you.
    Yes, excellent job security.

    You work for the union until there's no more work.
    Then you work for the union again until there's no more work.
    Then you work for the union again until there's no more work.
    Then you work for the union again until there's no more work.
    Then you work for the union again until there's no more work.
    Then you work for the union again until there's no more work.

    And then after 30 years of working for the union with great health benefits and a paycheck 85+% of the time you bitch about how many times the union threw you under the bus.
    You work for a union until there's no more work.

    You talk like you know both sides.
    You don't.

    But go ahead, post another explicative if it makes you feel better.
    I have unlimited bandwidth.
    You hit the nail on the head. Unions make it so there is no more work for everyone. Businesses are fleeing union friendly states in favor if free labor states. How about you Google where all the foreign car manufacturing plants in the US are located.
    "The long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead." - John Maynard Keynes (admits his philosophy is not viable)

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    Re: 1st Quarter GDP - Obama Goes Up, Economy Goes Down

    Quote Originally Posted by fishjoel View Post
    Strong property rights would make it easy to sue the shit outta someone for doing a bad job.
    You can discuss that with JL.
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    Re: 1st Quarter GDP - Obama Goes Up, Economy Goes Down

    Quote Originally Posted by fishjoel View Post
    You hit the nail on the head. Unions make it so there is no more work for everyone. Businesses are fleeing union friendly states in favor if free labor states. How about you Google where all the foreign car manufacturing plants in the US are located.
    Your response makes no sense.
    Today's "free" market guarantees no security.
    In fact, in today's "free market" job security is such a joke everyone should have a zero credit rating.
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    Re: 1st Quarter GDP - Obama Goes Up, Economy Goes Down

    Quote Originally Posted by USCitizen View Post
    So move into an area where everybody has strong property rights.
    BUT, who's need an architect when there are no rules?
    We have a saying around the office for people like that... 'stupid people pay more'

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    Re: 1st Quarter GDP - Obama Goes Up, Economy Goes Down

    Quote Originally Posted by tsquare View Post
    We have a saying around the office for people like that... 'stupid people pay more'
    I asked for an analysis of why things are so bad where you are.
    Maybe you need a contact in Nassau County.
    Being pissed is not helping.
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    Re: 1st Quarter GDP - Obama Goes Up, Economy Goes Down

    Quote Originally Posted by USCitizen View Post
    Your response makes no sense.
    Today's "free" market guarantees no security.
    In fact, in today's "free market" job security is such a joke everyone should have a zero credit rating.
    It makes tons of sense. I simply pointed out what environments are more conducive to jobs. There is not, nor should there be, any kind of guarantee pd job. That only creates an entitled attitude a generally shitty workers, like those that exist in many of our modern day unions.
    "The long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead." - John Maynard Keynes (admits his philosophy is not viable)

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    Re: 1st Quarter GDP - Obama Goes Up, Economy Goes Down

    Quote Originally Posted by fishjoel View Post
    It makes tons of sense. I simply pointed out what environments are more conducive to jobs. There is not, nor should there be, any kind of guarantee pd job. That only creates an entitled attitude a generally shitty workers, like those that exist in many of our modern day unions.
    You mean like the nepotistic nature of small private businesses or non-Securities departments in publicly held Wall Street firms?
    You're living in a dream world if you believe Wall Street firms aren't rife with the same low standard of production as Unions.
    I know, I know, every retard CEO is a genius.
    That's why they have to fire Americans to cut costs to show a profit.
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    Re: 1st Quarter GDP - Obama Goes Up, Economy Goes Down

    Quote Originally Posted by USCitizen View Post
    M,
    The facts regarding taxes are just as viable as the theory of Marginal Utility…
    Yet you flippantly dismiss the facts regarding who pays the majority of our taxes. Facts published by the IRS. The Galbraith-Goober theory of the marginal utility of wealth is pure bullshit propaganda.

    They have nothing to do with preserving the greatness of America.
    Are there emoticons for Palm to face or Shakes head?
    Taxes do matter and it has been shown to matter time and time again.
    The Boston Tea Party wasn't about tea and no country has ever taxed its way to prosperity.

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    Re: 1st Quarter GDP - Obama Goes Up, Economy Goes Down

    Quote Originally Posted by Mahasattva View Post
    Yet you flippantly dismiss the facts regarding who pays the majority of our taxes. Facts published by the IRS. The Galbraith-Goober theory of the marginal utility of wealth is pure bullshit propaganda.



    Are there emoticons for Palm to face or Shakes head?
    Taxes do matter and it has been shown to matter time and time again.
    The Boston Tea Party wasn't about tea and no country has ever taxed its way to prosperity.

    tashi deleks,

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    Taxation WITHOUT representation.
    I pay taxes, small business pay taxes, and we have, de facto, far less representation than large corporations.
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    Re: 1st Quarter GDP - Obama Goes Up, Economy Goes Down

    Quote Originally Posted by USCitizen View Post
    Taxation WITHOUT representation.
    If it wasn't for the tax increases, no one would have complained about the lack of representation.

    I pay taxes, small business pay taxes, and we have, de facto, far less representation than large corporations.
    You believing that does not make it so. How much do unions pay in taxes? How much does the Serra Club pay int taxes? How much does the Rainbow Coalition pay in taxes?

    Regardless, nothing you have posted challenges the facts presented, that those who earn the most pay the most in taxes. Well over 40% of Americans pay no federal income tax. In a "fair" society, the burden of taxes would not be placed on one group the anointed deem unworthy of the money they have earned so they can give it to those they deem worthy of government largess.

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