Oh hell, I agree with you. Although public transportation in many areas has seen an unparalleled increase in ridership. Up 50% where I'm from. We've never had this kind of use of the bus system in Florida.

Oh, AND American SUV sales have hit rock bottom. Toyota has surpassed all US auto makers.

But that's the point, if the public in the free market is not moving quickly enough to affect urgent change, that's where Mother Government comes in handy.

Clinton tried to subsidize the auto industry in creating hybrids and it didn't work. It was eventually cut by a nonparitsan vote. But he was wagging the wrong end of the dog ( , I meant that actually). It is the consumer you have to target, not the industry. We are cheap and greedy and we behave the same way when we run industries. So give an industry money and they will line their pockets. Give the consumer money and they'll spend it. THAT tail CAN wag the dog. I might be wrong but it makes sense to me.

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Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

Now were even in a "predicament".

Oh boy.

Oh boy.

You better sell that SUV and start riding a trike.

I mean a bike

I mean, I think most Americans that drive those gigantic suvs and trucks and crap are wasteful and ignorant as hell but whose BUYING them. Auto makers MAKE what we want to BUY.

We want BIG GIANT STUPID LOOKING ROLLING abortions that's what they're making.

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If you don't think the auto industry was not somehow subsidized in making gas guzzlers, you'll want to stop and consider why they were so slow to see the shift in the demands of the consumer. They never did make a hybrid worth buying and they sold SUV's right up to the point they are on the brink of non-existence.

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

It's not a matter of what is the "right thing" to do, it is a matter of consumerism. Far from value oriented, the consumer will buy as much as they can get from their dollar. If they can get a leather interior Hummer for the price of a tiny Prius, they'll do it. (Remember a few years back there was a huge rush on Hummer's due to tax incentives).

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

That's amazing. Welcome to stupid America.

Welcome welcome. ..........

Come right in.

Now, over here we have a HUGE resource wasting machine for you to buy. Not only does it take up to much space and LOOK like a spaceship build attempt by idiots, BUT it weighs so much it will waste GAS and contribute to Al Gores global warming theory.

Hee hee, everybody on the road will hate you too because they can't see around the big dumb looking box you're driving.

What more could you ask for ?

Ah, we have some anti cholesterol drugs that we advertise to our patients.. uh .. I mean our citizens that cause heart disease. We have some antacid drugs that cause problems with calcium absorbtion. We have elitist politicians and judges that ignore the voice of the people even.

It's a PERFECT place for retarded, morally corrupt ingrates. C'mon in, you don' need no steenkin' green card.

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The cause for polar bear extinction may not be caused by human made Climate Change Crisis Warming. The polar bears may have to be rescued using floatation devices.



In the mean time, is there anyway to stop the solar flares? The heat is on big time.

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Kinetic,
You are the first and only person to mention anything about a human cause.

Does it matter?

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

Actually you have been mentioning it all along.I can read. You blame the Government of the United States for the polar bear Climate Chaos.There are more reasons for Global Crisis and Political Weather systems.

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More pretty volcano pictures, Kinetic ?

If you mean to infer that an incidental volcano eruption is to blame for the factual increase of the global average temperature, please:

- Establish that there is an increase in volcanic activity globally.
- Proof that a linear or exponential correlation exists between the above increase and the rate of increase in global warming temperatures.
- Demonstrate the manner in which the above causes global warming.

Hint : 1 and 2 are non existing.
3 is doable yet irrelevant since 1 and 2 are invalid.

Maybe you could switch to pictures of people smoking in a further attempt to support your near pathological denial ?

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It's actually a photo of Kamchatka. The Volcano eruptions get warm.Thermal heat is a contributor to the Globe Warming and the Climate Crisis we are in.Humans cause 3% of the earths co2 but are blamed for 100% of the Global Warming emergency. Let's start with proving that my pick-em-up-truck is the cause for the polar bears drowning.

That leaves only human caused Climate Crisis, right? Maybe we could move the bears to Antarctica.I am not in denial of anything.

Ok, how about the volcanic erruption on Kamchatka smoking instead? It's going to melt all that snow.

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Here is where the picture was gotten from: SmugMug - The ultimate in photo sharing. Online photo albums, photo sharing, photo hosting and photo storage. ... Hardly a reliable source.

Kinetic, I suspect you trained that polar bear to grab on to the floatation device ... Last I checked, bears were excellent swimmers in the ocean.

You say you CAN read I guess that means you simply choose not to.

I think you're more of a picture book kinda guy and perhaps that's why you failed to comprehend my opening post. Take your time, I have faith that you can learn.

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

No shit. Do they really ? So does my coffee.
Once again, if you want to imply that volcanic activity is a considerable factor in global warming, you have to quantify it.

I'll assume you mean 'thermal' in the sense of 'geothermal' here, else the sentence becomes rather funny.
Yes, that activity is part and parcel of the global energy equilibrium yet there is no indication whatsoever, let alone correlation, that volcanic activity has increased in relation to the rise of global temperatures. Unless you demonstrate that, those pictures remain nothing but deconstructionist propaganda.

I notice that you're still unfamiliar with the nature of the global energy system the atmosphere constitutes. The constant 97% of CO² of previous ages is irrelevant as it's part of the equilibrium of the system.

Rest assured, it isn't. I drive a gas guzzling Italian sports car myself and have no qualms about that. It is the global totality of effects human enterprise inflicts on the atmosphere that is the problem. What individuals do is of minute consequence.

It's rather simple actually. If one continually adds energy to a closed system (by burning fossil fuels whose energy was locked up for ages, and by blanketing the dissipation into space by the use of greenhouse gasses), the surplus energy has to go somewhere.

Now, with the nature of this system as it is, a chaotic, selforganizing system, the following effects will be observed: First, logically, the system will heat up. That is a given, a fact already observed on the whole globe.

Next, the surplus energy will be spent kinetically (no pun intended, it's simply the right word in the context) through more massive and frequent storms, tornadoes, typhoons, etc. That also is observed already; again, on a global -average- scale so not necessarily every heavy storm is directly attributable to this so there's no need to bring Katrina into it.)

Ultimately, when left unchecked, two things can happen : Either the selforganization of the system is strong enough to absorb the extra energy and release it back through increased storm activity -which we'll simply have to learn to deal with then- or, and that's the worst case scenario, the system will switch to a different chaotic attractor and switch to the Venusian model. In the latter case, we needn't worry about the problem anymore.

Bottom line here is: how far do we, globally, every individual and nation, want to push the system? If we're prepared to face the consequences, then there is no problem and everything can proceed as usual.

Indeed, that's the crux of the matter. There are no natural occurences that correlate scientifically to the increase of global temperatures and indeed, that leaves human activity.

Do as you please with the polar bears (polar bears might be cute to look upon, but they're actually nasty and filthy creatures). The problem is much larger than this.

Yes, you are, my dear. Because you look at the problem in a political context and feel victimized because the US gets pointed to as the main culprit, you are in denial of the scientific facts. It doesn't really matter whether the US is indeed the biggest contributor or not, the problem is global and can only be addressed globally. Pointing fingers amongst nations doesn't solve shit.

Poor snow.
There are no active volcanos in the Alpine region yet there is an unprecedented lack of snow there that is now, today, destroying the regional tourist economy. A fine example of the imminent impact of the problem.

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WOI,

I love you man.

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

Quantifying the amount of thermal energy the eminates from the earth's core could be huge. Why have you ruled this out? Scientist haven't.

Are any explanations other than 'human existence' acceptable?Human Made Global Warming Crisis sound like we should all turn in our car keys and ride donkey to work. I support alternative sources of energy, nuclear power is still under utilized.Wow. I wasn't expecting that. I agree with you. Nature is more powerful than humans.It just that energy comes from other sources as well.There are risks in tampering with the atmosphere. It's unclear what the results would be from sending more aerosols out or in the past.Prior to Katrina being blamed on President Bush, I never thought of weather as a polical tool. Now, 'Climate Justice' is the mainstream media's buzzwords used to spin every kind of weather event as a Republican plot to destroy the environment. I actually see warming as a good thing but not politically. I do recognize the political aspect of the weather now but, it's not my doing. I didn't come up with Crisis Weather chat rooms or Global Warming Chaos websites.You'r in the wrong state. Colorado has been having record snow falls making it impossibe to get around.

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